Have an abortion and face the death penalty

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This is what Texas is trying to push through

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Rape and incest are not exemptions but ectopic is.

I really hope this doesn’t go through. It’s terrifying that the rights of a foetus has more rights that a grown up adult woman

That is horrific.

What happened to " he who saves a life is responsible for it "

Who's going to look after all these babies they "saved"

Poor poor women. Nothing is 100 percent . We know what happens when women cant access safe medical abortions.

I know. It’s scary

Their excuse is “well if a pregnant woman is killed by a drunk driver, they are charged for two murders not one, so this is just equalising the ground and making things fairer”

No, it’s another way of controlling women

Nothing says fair like being linked to your rapist for the next 18 years...

Do they think women have abortions for the fun of it. I'm.assuming there's a bill running along side this that ensures that every man pays for their baby without fail ?

How do they propose to deal with ectopic pregnancies? Or molar pregnancies? Or those where the foetus has defects incompatible with life?

Ectopic is allowed an abortion as it runs a risk to the mothers life. I would assume molar pregnancy would too.

However, if rape isn’t allowed I doubt disability wouldn’t be a good excuse either.

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As in you would be made to continue your pregnancy.

Also, I reckon they would make a foetus with severe birth defects go through the birth “in case there is a chance it would live”

That is probably the one thing that proves this is not about saving saving baby.

There are so many conditions that mean that the babies very short life would be spent in pain in a cot in hospital. How is that humane? If you cared about these babies then why would u pass a legislation that means you have to put them that?

It has never been about the babies really

It’s always been a way of keeping women in line

I mean the responses are always “if she didn’t want to get pregnant she would have used birth control/kept her legs shut/ not been out after dark”

Course the same people who don't believe in abortion don't belong birth control either.

Its not even covered in many a workplace insurance is it ?

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That is probably the one thing that proves this is not about saving saving baby.

There are so many conditions that mean that the babies very short life would be spent in pain in a cot in hospital. How is that humane? If you cared about these babies then why would u pass a legislation that means you have to put them that?

The point is this is coming from a place that a baby is a person from (I presume) conception. So should be treated the same way before it is born as it would be after. So that argument could only be allowed if you were also content to end the babies life after it has been born; in infancy, childhood or adulthood (euthanasia). I doubt Texas would allow that either. Though there attachment to the total sanctity of human life seems rather at odds with the use of the death penalty.

I think there are some states where physician assisted suicide is legal ?

This is the absolutely logical conclusion of treating the foetus as a person. That’s why you can’t really reach compromise with people who believe that - it makes total sense to them that if you wouldn’t smother a newborn conceived by rape then aborting it is the same.

How is that not a valid argument?

Why does one persons believe against abortion have to become everyone else's reality?

Texas will end up like El Salvador where women are jailed for having miscarriages.

I cannot understand how many in the US simultaneously oppose abortion and gun control.

Also what about not killing the pregnant woman and just kicking her in the belly to miscarry said parasite. Why should that be a crime?

You're really asking why repeatedly kicking a person in the belly with an intention of causing severe injuries should be a crime. You don't see women as people at all, do you? Fuck you.

Of course abuse of pregnant women should be an aggravating factor in assaults and murders, because that is when male abusers step up their abuse. A legal system that actually cared about women's lives would acknowledge this, and men who abuse pregnant women would be put on a list and punished severely along with voyeurs, flashers and all the other men who are particularly dangerous to women and liable to escalate.

Surely by their logic an embryo/foetus is a life regardless of whether it is conceived through rape or incest. I just don't understand the rationale of the exemption.

Why is hitting a pregnant woman and causing miscarriage more severe than hitting a non-pregnant woman?

Of course abuse of pregnant women should be an aggravating factor in assaults and murders, because that is when male abusers step up their abuse. A legal system that actually cared about women's lives would acknowledge this, and men who abuse pregnant women would be put on a list and punished severely along with voyeurs, flashers and all the other men who are particularly dangerous to women and liable to escalate. A

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Surely by their logic an embryo/foetus is a life regardless of whether it is conceived through rape or incest. I just don't understand the rationale of the exemption.

OP said that rape and incest were not exemptions.

I did answer the question. Since the answer has now been repeated in the thread four times I imagine any lurkers less thick than you (all of them) will have got it by now so I'll leave you to stew in confusion.

I really don’t understand the whole system in the states. Can state law be overridden? Also - doesn’t Texas have the highest execution rate?