Well if this isn't about keeping the status quo and damage limitation I don't know what is.

[loopyapp]

BBC News - Sarah Everard: Court challenge over Clapham vigil ban
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56367031

Just that really.

Off to have a cry.

Or scream.

Or both.

This too:

www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/sarah-everard-met-police-indecent-exposure-b1816054.html?amp&utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

It made me sick to my stomach that there were warning signs.

As if Sarah's murder wasn't horrifying and tragic enough.

But the Met are Stonewall Champions aren't they, so they have to stop Women protesting (well, the biological ones anyway). They are so unbiased, it makes me proud

Just another day of silencing women speaking about their rights and experiences between that and the guardian front page I am raging

@highame

But the Met are Stonewall Champions aren't they, so they have to stop Women protesting (well, the biological ones anyway). They are so unbiased, it makes me proud

I don't suppose there will be a push for them to have some training in sensitivity towards women, or anti misogyny training.

No, of course there won't be.

No I fully expect any sensitivity training to be about making sure it is explicit that transwomen are included in the category of "woman" when the term "male violence against women" is used. The sad thing is, from the last couple of days on twitter, there are plenty of women who think this is the most pressing current concern.

Fuckers.

There are always warning signs. And hey presto - there were. Most often ignored/not connected/deemed irrelevant by the police.

My contempt for the police - not most individual police officers is plummeting to new depths.

Remember that Cressida Dick doesn’t think misogyny should be a hate crime.

(Personally I think it should all be abolished, but while we have it, if cross dressers have protection - despite no evidence of harm so should women)

We need to bring all this up in the Police commissioner elections in May.

So Black Lives Matter protests in the summer were exempt from restrictions but a vigils in response to a woman being killed aren't??
It's enough to make your blood boil!

@dragoncheeselady

Just another day of silencing women speaking about their rights and experiences between that and the guardian front page I am raging

To be fair, looking at all the NAMALT and "What about my sons" and "I've never done any of those self-protective moves" posts on various MN threads - it's not as if women aren't out in full force, expressing internalised misogyny and demanding that women should be silent because they're being unkind or unfair.

Today's interviews on radio 4 at lunch time were very clear.
'What is wrong with men?'

The interviewer/presenter was very clear- for too long men have behaved like this, how do we stop it.

It felt like a real shift in tone, from previous news coverage.

There's an existing thread about this. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4189658-met-police-threaten-to-prosecute-organisers-of-reclaim-these-streets-womens-gathering

It is about whether under the lock down restrictions any one can demonstrate.

So even allowing for male bias and protecting their own, they are having to face the fact that if this goes ahead what other demos might happen. And they have already imposted quite heavy fines of people who have just been 2 or 3 people demonstrating.

The legal challenge is about whether the Met are correctly interpreting the lockdown rules.

And this will impact the many other vigils being organised all round the country. So organisers have already said they only want virtual vigils as they think it is to dangerous in terms of health to have people meeting up.

Truly it only makes the whole thing more insidious if their official stance is " we can't let this happen because other people will want to break the rules too". Like covid conspiritory nut jobs protesting lock down is on a par with the nations women deciding that Sarah's death at the hands of a man is to be the last one to prompt the victim blaming "women should stay home" response from the police.

I don't see how the police can actually stop individual women going to Clapham Common (various other venues) and standing in silence at the relevant time. When does someone going out for a walk on Clapham Common become a "vigil" or is the test simply that women shouldn't be out after dark because it's not safe so if they are out it must be an "event" which is banned.

I'm going to our local one.

My concern with going is that the individual organisers will recieve a £10,000 fine.

@picklemewalnuts

Today's interviews on radio 4 at lunch time were very clear. 'What is wrong with men?'

The interviewer/presenter was very clear- for too long men have behaved like this, how do we stop it.

It felt like a real shift in tone, from previous news coverage.

I heard this today. They were brilliant. I want to get their advice for schools into my kids schools.

People are getting slated on the other thread for comparing to blm protests, but people were masked up, outside. Throughout the summer there were weeks when our total death rate was lower than the 5 year average (including covid, plus all other deaths), so I'm not sure how they can suggest that we can't have a vigil 'cos covid'

Until 5 November last year, protest was a specific exception to the restrictions on gatherings. It was removed at the start of the second lockdown. The BLM protests were back in the summer and so were covered by an exception that no longer exists.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/03/protest-exemption-set-to-be-removed-from-england-lockdown-rules

Ours has now been cancelled and my local "empowered women" group full of angry mother's saying their sons feel victimized and women should "take accountability" for their making feel men feel bad. I'm fucking done.

Yeah, done is how I'm feeling. Done with men.

This was posted on the other thread:

"It is being widely reported that the organisers of tomorrow’s vigil for Sarah Everard, Reclaim These Streets, have lost their legal challenge to a ‘police ban’ on the event, but this is not an accurate legal reflection of what happened at the hearing. The Met had told the organisers that their “hands were tied” and that Covid regulations prohibit all protest. During the course of the hearing, the Met’s representative clarified that in fact, there is no blanket ban on protest, The Court agreed that the Covid regs do not amount to a ban on protest, because the rights to freedom of expression and freedom of assembly under the ECHR must also be taken into account. The police failed to take those rights into account when they told the organisers that holding the vigil would breach Covid regs. The police will now have to consider whether the vigil tomorrow can go ahead, taking into account right to freedom of expression / assembly, as well as the specific circumstances, eg. numbers expected, current R rate, social distancing and wearing of masks. The organisers only ‘lost’ in the sense that the Court did not make the declaration they asked for. The hearing has clarified that Covid regulations must be read with the Human Rights Act, but the Court made no ruling on whether the vigil itself would or would not be lawful."

twitter.com/legalfeminist/status/1370471062991998978

(Have to say I am now more concerned for the individuals who put their names forward as organisers being landed with huge fines. Who has £10,000 to lose? )

Everyone should have the right to protest, including conspiracy theorists. I really hope these vigils go ahead.

This poor woman died, the police are culpable and the first place you go is trans women?

Your hatred and obsession is getting in the way of feminists being able to actually fight this shit. Get the out of your own way. Christ.

@Hibari

This poor woman died, the police are culpable and the first place you go is trans women?

Your hatred and obsession is getting in the way of feminists being able to actually fight this shit. Get the out of your own way. Christ.

Did you post this on the right thread?

@Hibari

This poor woman died, the police are culpable and the first place you go is trans women?

Your hatred and obsession is getting in the way of feminists being able to actually fight this shit. Get the out of your own way. Christ.

Don't understand this. If Sarah was trans, perhaps you shouldn't be outing her? Ffs.