Ireland to continue with puberty blockers in spite on Keira Bell ruling

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In my opinion it would not be fair to withdraw them when people have already started but from my reading of this article it seems as if they are going to keep prescribing them to new patients.

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/hse-officials-opted-not-to-pull-puberty-blocking-treatment-at-crumlin-hospital-1.4500119

Am I being precious or does it feel disrespectful for the article to refer to Keira as "Quincy (Keira) Bell" and say that she " now self-describes as female"?

The Irish Times has gone full on, hasn't it?

This will be another scandal playing out before our eyes. Hepatitis C, women like Savita being let die in hospital, cervical screening. Now puberty blockers (which have little advantage to girls especially).

The worst affected people, when not exclusively affected, are women.

We won't throw in the Mother and Baby Homes, and the Magdalen Laundries.

Ireland is an embarrassment where women's rights are concerned.

Incredibly disrespectful towards her.

Agree with previous posters and yes - whilst the JR used Keira’s previous name - (I think there may be legal difficulties with reverting your name back at detransition) they are being spiteful using Keira’s previous name.

She doesn’t self describe as female - she is female, she always has been female and always will be - which is the whole bloody point of her involvement in the JR. The callousness shown to this extraordinary young woman knows no bounds.

I left Ireland because of sexism and religious intolerance. I am not unusual.

It is much better in England. Yes, I meant England not the UK.

Didn't Ireland send it's (potentially) trans kids to the Tavistock for treatment?

I think the article is probably more balanced that might be thought from the OP.

I havent seen the Court documents. Did Keira take the case in her legal name of Quincy? If so, while it might be somewhat disrespectful, it is technically correct. The photo accompanying the article has her name as Keira.

The article reports that, the endocrinologist who was dealing with cases in Ireland resigned in 2020; a report on the service issued after his resignation stated that “The decision to embark on a medical transition journey for young people without comprehensive specialist multidisciplinary psychosocial team assessment and support can lead to catastrophic outcomes” [my bold].

I support any service which has the MDT to pursue a comprehensive examination of the reasons for a child wanting to present to the service, rather than unquestioning affirmation.

I also took from the article, that people who are already on puberty blockers, will not have their medications withdrawn secondary to the KB ruling in another jurisdiction.
That's correct in my view. It would be very unfair to those people, and would leave the HSE open to criticism, if not legal challenge, as there has been no change in the law here.

I think that, if I were managing that service, I would be doing my best to ensure that there was a comprehensive MDT in place as soon as possible, and I would be minimising the number of children being seen from the waiting list, until then.

It would be very unfair to those people

Unfair to remove treatment when severe side effects are noticed? Some evidence is showing puberty blockers and hormones sometimes make patients more suicidal. Evidencd is showing that many patients have had drugs prescribed when they shouldn't have. Evidence is showing irreversible life-limiting damage to major organs.

With any other treatment the NHS would not keep prescribing when new evidence becomes apparent of long term term damage, widespread ineffectiveness along with major research failings in background research.

They'd be absolutely vilified if they did.

In any previous cases of failure to react to information about harm the cost in money and reputational damage to the health service has been significant.

Today we are seeing an avalanche of detransitioners. Unfair to stop? No, unfair to continue.

It is only unfair to stop if your goal is validation of people who want to believe the treatment works on children rather than a goal of the long-term best interests of the child patient.

I actually saw this article in the Sunday Times at the weekend and meant to highlight it here. I don't know where to go from here honestly, I am so exhausted by it all. The mountain seems insurmountable. But then I realise that we just need to keep going.

Hang on a second 30Percent
Look at the totality of what I said:

It would be very unfair to those people, and would leave the HSE open to criticism, if not legal challenge, as there has been no change in the law here.

There is no course of medical intervention which would ever be stopped immediately, on the basis of a court case in another jurisdiction, without medical review and oversight.

As I went on to say, every case should be carefully reviewed in light of emerging evidence.
I am also talking in the context of a newspaper article which I felt had been slightly misrepresented by the OP.

Fair point MacCool After posting I did think shit that sounds like I'm having a go at Fiona, which was not my intent. I had a thought in my head about other people not you - what you laid out was sensible. My apologies for any offence caused.

I really like your user name by the way. May your thumb be burned by the fish of knowledge.

Ah no worries 30Percent, fair play.

This is a newish name change...thanks! I like this one and might hang on to it for longer than I usually do. Must be on about my 20th by now.

“It is only a matter of time before we will have cases taken against the HSE by some of the children currently attending Crumlin,” said Dr Moran. “The same gender service (Tavistock GIDS) implicated in the case above continue to recommend hormone treatments for children without adequate assessment.”

Yet the government is still ploughing ahead with Self ID for 16 to 18 year old teenagers. Too young to drink or vote but can legally change gender..

Good.