Gov't Equality Adviser quits.

[Cailleach1]

So, this person quits. Sounds like a bit of an ideologue who didn't get carte blanche, I think. Gave the usual spiel which makes it clear they are only about the T.

"I don’t believe that they understand LGBT people, particularly trans people."

I don't think their remit was only to be the Trans Adviser. Have they nothing to say about equality in relation to any other group of people? Disability, race, belief, SEX, childbirth and maternity, etc. etc. They talk as if anyone who isn't a trans ideology is a right wing evangelical; usual attempts to smear there. Oddly enough, many regard the trans ideology as rather anti-gay when it puts lesbians under pressure to regard their sexuality as not being related to sex. That is why alternative LGB organisations are having to be set up in so many countries. A big cuckoo has taken over their nest.

I'd imagine it is good riddance and don't let the door hit your bum on the way out. They don't seem to have any interest in equality per se; never mind balancing different rights. Only about entrenching this single ideology.

Wouldn't it be wonderful to have an Equality Adviser who took a broader view than Trans activism?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/equality-advisor-quit-lgbt-b1815340.html

@justawoman

I was reacting to oldwomanwhoruns:

‘What on earth did the gvmt think it was doing, employing this person with any sort of Equalities brief?
If a person is to advise on Equalities why choose an obviously one-issue person?
We wimmin can tell
Actually, anyone could tell, looking at the pictures on a quick google sad‘

Well we can certainly tell a few things. From Wiki, Having previously believed that being Christian and being gay were not compatible, Ozanne sought a deliverance ministry and underwent an exorcism

If this is true, don't you just love the irony that someone who effectively believed that being gay was wrong is now denouncing those who don't believe in 'Gender Identity' or buy into Trans Ideology as bigoted.

They are entitled to hold their personal beliefs, just not to foist them on the rest of us. Also it would probably be fair to say that they would probably not be coming from a place with a firm Scientific or material perspective. If you're buying into exorcism, you probably aren't too hard a sell for other 'ideological' tenets.

Conversion therapy is generally understood to mean trying to make a gay man or lesbian, straight.

Does Ozanne mean that when she talks about it or am does she also include forcing people with gender dysmorphia to have therapy to help them not want to 'fix' their bodies to be he opposite sex?

It depends on her personal definitions of what conversion therapy is.

She's not the first, nor the last, lesbian I imagine to be all about the T. Apparently the panel haven't met since July 2019 so it basically ran or of steam around the time that the govt announced they weren't going for Self ID.

The other thing to note is that these advisory roles automatically come to an end this month anyway.

I see there are two threads so I'm reposting here as well:

This is one of the headlines on the Today programme, second only to the tragic news about Sarah Everard. It's getting a lot of coverage from the corporation.

James Morton was on the Today programme and they had a decent amount of time.

In laying out the grievances, it was clear that it was all about the T.

Two charges were leveled: the government didn't feel bound to follow the advice of the panel and that in the recent debate about conversion therapy at one point Kemi Badenoch didn't include the T in a list.

Something feels tactical about this, it has a Dentonesque feel. I think the goals are to discredit Truss and Badenoch in the eyes of the LGBT community and progressives, with a longer term goal to get government legislation that will make the Keira Bell decision moot (where the restrictions on puberty blockers somehow get grouped into coversion therapy of gay people).

Incidentally, Radio 4 did have a programme about conversion therapy this week and all of the content was about conversion therapy of gay people while the narrative from the queer presenter and the expert, a queer historian, made sure that "trans and gender identity" got lumped in whenever gay people were mentioned. Ironically, the only T-related problems in conversion therapy identified in the programme is that therapists were at risk of accusations of transphobia if they don't do their patients' bidding and that some people might transition when it is not appropriate.

She's on sky news now.

I’m not disagreeing that she’s an unscientific ideologue or trying to defend her in any way. It’s been noted before just how many trans rights campaigners come from conservative religious backgrounds, though she’s a bit unusual in that she isn’t anti gay and isn’t advocating transing away the gay; she does still have the zeal of a religious bigot though, it’s true.

I also said this on the other thread but I think the timing of this - given all the other things going on this week - is tactical. Their roles are coming to an end anyway. There are three stonewall representatives on the same panel.

Does Ozanne mean that when she talks about it or am does she also include forcing people with gender dysmorphia to have therapy to help them not want to 'fix' their bodies to be he opposite sex?

If I understood her point correctly I think she believes conversion in relation to trans would be convincing them to remain as their 'cis gender'.

nauticant, that's an interesting analysis. I wonder if, given that the issues is now receiving a more balanced debate in many mainstream news sources, whether the Denton strategy will continue to be successful? There's a lot more public awareness of the underlying issues. Although the BBC continue to only present one site of the debate, if people are intrigued and explore further, sunlit hill walking may occur. We also need to ensure that government knows that we appreciate Liz Truss' standing firm.

Talking young people out of drastic surgical alteration of their bodies and lifelong dependence on medication is conversion therapy, not the other way around. Ok

So, it is rather disengenous and being used to throw mud at Liz Truss. Possibly because she doesn't have quite the correct ideological fervour or susceptibility to being converted to this set of ideological beliefs.

Impervious to the conversion attempts, so to speak.

This is what Jan Gooding - outgoing chair of Stonewall had to say about Liz Truss recently:

“…..as long as Liz Truss is the Minister for Equalities I have absolutely no idea who she thinks she's representing because she, I've never heard her talk about race, I've not heard her do anything positive for trans people, she's being really weird on conversion therapy. I mean why is this woman, and I'm speaking very openly to you, I mean she's the most disastrous Equalities Minister so let's hope we get somebody new, but we at Stonewall now are regrouping on our strategy for the advance of everyday life of trans people and yes, that's going to be around trying to change the law…”

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/leaked-transcript-confirms-stonewalls

@TheRabbitOfCaerbannog

Talking young people out of drastic surgical alteration of their bodies and lifelong dependence on medication is conversion therapy, not the other way around. Ok

Absolutely. I find it strange that she spoke of rape etc as conversion tools and can recognise the horrors of gay conversion but would not then see that convincing a young lesbian to transition to male is also a type of conversion!

Ye olde cognitive dissonance

My brain never ceases to be boggled!

I think she was angry because this was her last throw of the dice to change legislation and advance transrights beforre her .
Obviously the government has realised that there is a careful balance between banning actual conversion therapy which obviously is dreadful and the collateral damage of the legislation being weaponised to curtail any alternative therapy options being offered to trans teenagers, with therapists being threatened by these laws and children being at risk of put on more of a drrug based pathway.
Obviously there is a suspician that drug company funded lobby groups might be hanging around in the background here.
Any nuance in this debate certainly lost on GMB tv who implied the Government were bigots who were listening to extreme religious groups on the right.

@nauticant that is a very good analysis.

What I don't understand is why another approach isn't taken. For example: all medical bodies now have specific statements that they will not do conversion therapy, so drug conversion therapy or psychotherapy isn't supported and isn't done.
Are they seeking to ban practices which are already happening outside of GMC guidance? (Because they are already banned)

Or are they seeking to ban religious conversion therapy? In which case they need to reflect upon what is happening in culturally religious countries such as Iran www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29832690

There is an article in the Indo where James Morton is also a little disingenuous when he/she just happenstance mentions LGBT and race side by side. Equating them in a way by putting them side by side. Only these two issues. This is a ploy to equate, if not conflate, the position of 'Gender Identity' with race. Of course, 'Gender Identity' was equated/conflated with same sex attraction in the first place.

It is all about using stealthily using the trojan horse of other issues to try and plant a false equivalence of rights. The shtick is getting a bit tired now; we can all see it.

So, the way I see it is that these adviser left just two weeks early and they all go on the airwaves about how prejudiced everyone is because their ideological stance wasn't given superiority over everyone else's rights.