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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender Critical Feminism and Right Wing Politics

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MindYourLanguage · 09/03/2021 21:15

I am hoping that others might come and critique my argument regarding right wing politics. I am gender critical, have always been, however I have had the same experience as many other posters about whether I am on the wrong side of history.

I live in the USA and in a very conservative state. One of the differences between my politics and the right wing politics (on this matter) is that I dont believe that sex and gender are necessarily linked (I see gender as a series of oppressive social norms which are, nurture based and harmfully stereotypical) - whereas many right wing commentators/politicians seem to think that they definitely are and cannot be decoupled. In fact, when I listen to/read about the arguments (I am thinking about Marjorie Taylor Greene and others like her) that there are only two genders, because there are only two sexes, it seems clear that the argument cannot ever be settled because we are talking about two totally different concepts (one biological (fact), one social).

I cannot help but think that often when politicians, commentators etc. talk about this issue that this sex/gender confusion causes most of the problems.

I am just musing really - I come from a generation where we used gender as the polite word for sex, now when I talk to people about the issue and use the terms accurately - people are taken back - but respond more positively.

I would love to know if anyone else thinks this way or whether my insomnia is rotting my brain!

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2021 22:21

I don't think it's just a matter of the right-wingers thinking gender is just a euphemism for sex. Some of them think that the gender stereotypes are a Good Thing - I expect there are elements who believe they're god-given and can find biblical justifications. The USA is very different to the U.K. in having a large right wing religious element.

This Venn diagram may be helpful

Gender Critical Feminism and Right Wing Politics
NiceGerbil · 09/03/2021 22:41

The religious right in USA think that sex roles are natural, men are like this and women that, and they should not transgress from their role. They should not step outside their boxes.

The gist of the trans approach seems to be that the boxes exist and are fundamental but some people are in the wrong box and should be able to switch.

Feminism has always said fuck the boxes, they're a prison, let everyone behave/ dress etc as they please. Recently we've had to start arguing that sex is real.. which wasn't in doubt before. The boxes, the roles, are the social constructions.

Zinco · 09/03/2021 23:27

Ben Shapiro interview on gender...

(Right-wing perspective against the idea that gender is a social construct.)

30PercentRecycled · 09/03/2021 23:58

You are getting tied up in knots because you accept the concept of gender, albeit separate from sex.

Throw that guff away and it gets a lot simpler.

Question instead why the left want gender to be a real thing so very much.

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