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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WHO study on violence against women

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Doomsdayiscoming · 09/03/2021 20:55

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/mar/09/quarter-of-women-and-girls-have-been-abused-by-a-partner-says-who

Hadn’t seen this posted today? Maybe I missed it.

Weird. Thought this was pretty shocking, and depressing.

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Doomsdayiscoming · 09/03/2021 21:05

Guess there are bigger threats to women than...men. Priorities.

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TooTrueToBeGood · 09/03/2021 21:15

I wonder if their survey method somehow accounted for those women who don't even realise they have been abused. If not then the real figures are likely to be significantly higher.

Cabinfever10 · 09/03/2021 21:18

I'm surprised that its only a quarter.
I don't know any women who haven't suffered some form of domestic violence at one point or another.
It may just be my group of friends and family (God I hope so) but I suspect that many women are to scared and/or ashamed to admit that they "would let" someone do that to them or that they wouldn't be believed. When I talk about it with other survivors they always say that they thought that they were in part to blame and that they wouldn't be believed.

Doomsdayiscoming · 09/03/2021 21:26

Yeah, probably bad timing.

Mumsnetters have got bigger battles to fight.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/03/2021 22:01

For some time, VAWG has been framed as a public health problem.

And, yes - the lack of shared definitions or understanding as to what constitutes violence is a substantial difficulty across cultures and even within a nation.

Violence can be so normalised from childhood up that it's traumatic to realise that it's not 'normal' for everybody.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2021 22:14

Thanks for posting it OP - it looks like it was only put online about 4pm so that's probably why there isn't already a thread.

Grim statistics, and the funding is a pittance compared to the size of the problem. This is spot on:
Fundamentally, though, violence against women had to be treated as a societal problem, with men and boys involved in tackling it, said García-Moreno. “One of the challenges is that it is often shunted off to the side as a women’s issue.”

persistentwoman · 09/03/2021 22:19

I no longer give the Guardian any clicks because of their lack of ethical reporting / anti women stance. Hopefully this appalling report will be covered elsewhere if it's only just been released.

NiceGerbil · 09/03/2021 22:50

That feels low to me.

Do we know what the questions were?

NiceGerbil · 09/03/2021 22:52

What irritates me as well is that both the guardian and the WHO seem to expect everyone to know whether they mean sex or gender from context.

If they believe what they say they believe then own it. A quarter of vagina owners etc.

Bunch of shits.

334bu · 10/03/2021 00:21

Interesting that report stresses need for services to be survivor centred and that accurate data has to be collected. A bit ironic here where single sex refuges are being defunded and in Scotland the ONS has recently issued documents where they said that the need for sex disaggregated data might not be necessary. Even more worryingly the Justice Minister will tomorrow present an amendment to the Hate Crime Bill in which the need to collect sex disaggregated data on victims of hate crimes will be deemed not essential.

FleurPower123 · 10/03/2021 05:00

I think the answer you'll get is "how can we focus on violence against women when we can't define what a woman is?"

crankysaurus · 10/03/2021 07:22

The bit I tend to find depressing is that the lack of solutions proposed, the only one around changing attitudes is through school. It would be good to see something that delves into that side of it a bit more.

Dervel · 10/03/2021 11:20

Scary statistic indeed. I am very keen to be a man that leans in and is part of the solution. I’ve lost count of the number of female friends who have endured it, so I have no problem whatsoever in accepting that the problem is in fact a lot worse than even that article outlines.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/03/2021 11:29

I am very keen to be a man that leans in and is part of the solution.

Can you expand on that please? Do you have any methods for influencing/challenging other men and boys to also be decent respectful men?

FleurPower123 · 11/03/2021 00:52

Can you expand on that please? Do you have any methods for influencing/challenging other men and boys to also be decent respectful men?

I always think this must be hard for men. Challenging a violent individual can definitely result in being headbutted or getting a broken jaw as most men are much less hesitant to assault another male. I think much of it likely starts with upbringing or home environment so we maybe need to try and catch them early.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/03/2021 00:54

I didn't really mean 'challenge' in that sort of way, more the 'set them a challenge' type of thing.

FleurPower123 · 11/03/2021 01:07

Ah ok. Like lead by example? That makes sense. It's such a difficult issue because much of it likely happens behind closed doors and whenever I see somebody being emotionally abusive to their partner in public I always feel like they (the abused partner) will likely bear the brunt of the bully's humiliation when they get home if somebody speaks out against them in public.

Dervel · 12/03/2021 03:41

Well there’s how I raise my son, would be a big one. The key is to teach him to manage his emotions in a healthy way, and not suppress them so I make it more about what behaviours are unacceptable.

Where we go wrong as a culture is we pretty much let boys get away with more bad action “boys will be boys”, whilst simultaneously teaching them to ruthlessly suppress a lot of emotion. This is entirely the wrong way around if you want to produce a psychologically healthy and integrated man by the end of childhood.

I generally challenge toxic male stereotypes around other men, although honestly less so these days, as most of my closer male friends tend to have shared values for the most part.

Although it was quite a few years ago now I’ve also been willing to physically step in. This one occasion a woman screamed one night and I rushed to assist and there was a man attempting to drag her off the street, so I intervened and chased him off. Luckily he hadn’t had the opportunity to do anything too horrendous, but it was a fucking scary encounter. I’m not sure I’d do it again as I’m a father now, in far less good shape, but maybe I would I don’t know.

The question is all about how we deal with our aggression. I remember having a lot of anger in my late teens and as a young man. However I also nurtured a lot of what I suppose are erroneously perceived of as feminine traits such as empathy/compassion. I found those provided the motivation to behave differently.

It’s a big problem, if not the biggest we face as a society.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/03/2021 09:00

Thanks dervel.

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