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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Impact of crime records? A question

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Vehivle · 09/03/2021 14:33

Hi,

Please correct me if I am being inappropriate as it is hard to know what is viewed as transphobic to ask vs what is just acceptable to ask.

But my understanding is that crimes committed by transwomen are recorded for crime stats as committed by natal women. Is that correct?

I dont know why it bothers me so much. But it makes me feel like it is deeply unfair that a natal male uses male violence and rapes a women, but then as they identify as transwomen, this rape is recorded as by a woman. There isnt even like an asterix or something to indicate for future records that this was a transwomen - not natal. If I'm wrong on this, please let me know! But if I'm right - this means for for now and for the future looking back on women crime rates - rapes committed by women are being recorded as higher than they should be.

Like I said, I'm unsure why this bothers me. It just feels like a false home goal in a sense. Done by the opposite team but treated as a home goal all the same.

Is there a way we can request government keep accurate records? Like I recognise transwomen with a GRC are allowed to be recorded as women - but just like they cannot legally access some spaces - could an asterix not be added in the event they commit a crime? Especially when it is violent/ sexual and against women/children?

And does anybody know what the crime records impact upon? Like beyond just record keeping, is it also used for other things like tailoring inmate support based on the crimes committed or for shaping societal interventions to reduce crimes of a particular nature? Because if so - then doesnt the counting of natal men as women then skew all of this?

I dont know. Hopefully someone more intelligent than me can help me figure it out. But all I know is that it feels deeply unfair. And that's without even considering when rape victims are then forced to refer to their rapists as "she" in court cases. That should also be stopped if a transwoman has used her male anatomy to commit crime. Victims come first.

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gardenbird48 · 10/03/2021 07:28

In response to Statsgeek - this offender has been caught for a second time with serious child sex abuse images. The fact you haven’t taken into account is that these offences are not bring recorded as commented by trans people, they are being recorded as women. So by your figures, we are looking at tripling the women’s crimes - which I would say IS statistically significant.

This individual received 12 charges of the most serious CSA images last time, I'm not sure how many this time, it is not confirmed but the force is likely to have recorded all as being committed by a woman.

I haven’t got time to look up the exact figures for that force area but going by the total figures of sexual crimes committed by women, I am fairly confident that this one individual would represent a fair chunk of them by himself.

This was a teacher convicted of possessing the most serious child sexual abuse images fir a second time.

The worrying thing here is that the DBS checking is undermined by various moves to allow a certain group of people to keep name changes private and apparently relies on them disclosing name changes.

Article
A former teacher who was caught downloading indecent images of children again has avoided jail.

Dr Beth Hannay was found with 11 of the images on an iPad and a laptop in her Castleford home last year.

The 55-year-old, who was born Andrew Ward but identifies as a woman, was also in breach of a sexual harm prevention order by having the images.

The order had been made at Bolton Crown Court in 2012 after Hannay pleaded guilty to 12 charges, including making and possessing indecent images of children, possessing extreme pornographic images and possessing prohibited images.

Thousands of indecent images, 'instruction material' on how to abuse children and images of extreme sexual activity with animals were found on a laptop and computer devices in her home in Lostock in 2011.

She was suspended from working at Canon Slade School in Bradshaw, Bolton after the raid and moved to Yorkshire before being jailed for a year, the Manchester Evening News reported at the time.

Prosecutor Christopher Dunn said officers made an unannounced check at Hannay's home on Netherwood Avenue in Castleford on February 21, 2019 to ensure she was complying with the order.

The officers found an iPad Air and a Toshiba laptop, which was a breach of the sexual harm prevention order, and seized them.

Hannay was cautioned, arrested and taken to Wakefield police station where she was interviewed.

The devices were found to contain 17 indecent images of children, including five in the most serious category. Eleven were in category B and one was in category C.

Mr Dunn said one of the most serious images showed graphic offences against a girl aged between three and five.

www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/former-teacher-avoids-jail-after-18722860

Check out this thread op - it will give you an idea of the scale of this. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread?pg=19

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