Jess Glynne

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Article on BBC (Newsbeat obvs). Wow. Am embarrassed. I have no comment on what she said (only hinted at but not specified in the article as too hateful/upsetting?)
However, I am embarrassed at the level of grovelling. If she bent over backwards any more she'd be a small and very ashamed ball.
Maybe she will be able to stand up again once she has been sufficiently -punished- educated.

Just had a look -find it hard to believe someone of her generation would think using that word is okay anymore, but still the pitchfork brigade crowing on about her "having a lot of work to do" are far too sanctimonious for my liking.

As long as TRAs and their allies call me ‘cis’ I have limited sympathy.

I agree. As she will quickly find out, no amount of apologising will be enough and they will expect her to self flagellate in public on a regular basis over this.

Further down the article it does mention the perceived slur that was used when linking to a tweet from a transwoman in response to her interview.

Looks like she's deleted her Twitter account.

It looks like she called a club a 'tr*y club'. Everyone has known for about 15 years that that's a slur and unacceptable, though I know some trans people occasionally use it to describe themselves in a reclaimed slur sort of way, but it's in the same way that lesbians sometimes calling themselves dy**s but it's not ok for someone else to call a lesbian that. Really surprising that she would use that word.

I began to wonder if it was set up for publicity?
I’m 40 something, asleep rather than woke and even I know that that word is off limits in pubic. I don’t even think my parents would fall foul.

I think us sleepies have always known.

It is the cool and the woke that seem to like using this word then go on to apologise forever.

(See the Tale of Mr Barr of the Literary Salons)

But why is this word - which my generation used for a small radio - so upsetting ? Isnt it simply an abbreviation? Obviously I wouldn't use it if it offends people but I've never really thought of it having any negative connotations.

How would she have best described the club? What is allowed? What do they market themselves as?

She does like a bit of PR/controversy. She made a big deal out of being turned away from a posh restaurant with a dress code when she turned up in a hoodie and joggers. Or maybe she's just not self aware.

Frankie Boyle used that word not that long ago. Now he polices other people's language. Off topic but he left twitter and his account is now managed for him.

Not so long ago the word queer was offensive and now it's all the rage.

Think it's largely been a word that up til a few years ago was still used quite lightheartedly by performative, old style 'transvestites' and drag queens, ie not people living a permanently transitioned life, who would naturally find any comparison between the two offensive. Drag queens of RuPaul's era used it freely until recent years. But it's undoubtedly seen as a slur now, associated with the language of hate crime.

The only way reason I can see for Jess Glynne even thinking it was okay is if she does genuinely hang around performers who still refer to themselves as such and used it in those circles - although even then it's still a bit like a white person saying the n word.

But why is this word - which my generation used for a small radio - so upsetting ? Isnt it simply an abbreviation?

Do you think the racial slur which in an earlier generation was used for many small family run shops is 'simply an abbreviation'?

Queer - a word that people can call themselves should they choose to. It can still be offensive if directed at someone maliciously. It’s not all the rage.

Yes Errol, my thoughts exactly.

Things have moved on, hard to believe many people my age (40) have zero awareness either word is not offensive.

I have on friend who uses that word about himself. He is in his 50s, married, kids, and likes to wear womens dresses when socialising. He has done this since his mid teens, cheerfully acknowledges it is a fetish.

But we both know that it is a word that has been offensive to most trans individuals for decades!

I can't keep up.
As others have said
Queer was a word I would not have used as I thought it was derogatory slang. But now is part of being proud!
This word I thought was used, but then a bit of an insult, but I thought this too had been reclaimed by some. In the same way as some people say they have 'reclaimed ' bitches. Or in the same way that is acceptable for that old band to call themselves NWA but nobody else would use the N word. Ie T people could use it themselves as a joke, but others shouldn't

But my post was really about how obsequious she was being. About most topics people would be corrected, apologise, apology accepted and move on. But not on this subject.
Ironically, maybe she thought she was trying to be funny and woke using it in an 'edgy" way. Obviously backfired.

See what you mean OP, I've just read that story about one of Mumford & Sons being forced to grovel, apologise, delete Tweets and take time out of the band for admitting reading the 'wrong' book. With everyone waiting on tenterhooks for his band mates to denounce him.

I've no interest in the band or the book he read (something right wing that has been discredited I think), but it's the same thing over again. He read a book. That's where we're at.

The Mumford guy was trending on twitter for most of Sunday but only got around to apologising today which clearly suggests cancellation rather than genuine regret.

I never said queer couldn't be used maliciously but it has been enthusiastically adopted by many. Jameela Jamil suddenly announced herself to be queer with no further explanation of exactly what that meant and I don't get the feeling that's unusual nowadays.

@Melroses

I think us sleepies have always known.

It is the cool and the woke that seem to like using this word then go on to apologise forever.

(See the Tale of Mr Barr of the Literary Salons)

This is so true.