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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Other reasons than 'rights' for questioning ideology

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9toenails · 04/03/2021 09:49

Others can and do argue about rights. And sure, rights are important. But I have another beef with trans ideology.

I tried to bring up my children to ignore the sexist stereotypes inherent in gender rôles, because of the harm done by such sexism. Now I find these same sexist stereotypes making a comeback, not least in the reactionary ideology of 'trans' and concomitant institutional capture by trans activists.

I fear, thus, for my grandchildren and their peers.

So, trans people and supporters, by all means claim your rights. (Specifically, trans women have all the rights other men have, and trans men likewise the rights other women have; generally, people have rights as humans.) But independently of arguments about rights do not expect me to accept the regressive sexist nonsense you peddle as gender , whether linked with identity or not.

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Daca · 04/03/2021 10:10

Thinking in 'rights' is a fairly recent thing, if you believe some human rights scholars, especially when framed in terms of protections for individuals. Whether 'rights thinking' has benefitted humanity as a whole, at least in the last 50 years or so, remains up for debate. So yes, OP, I think you have a point.

Novina · 04/03/2021 13:44

I agree with your points about both rights and stereotypes, but for me even more fundamental is the basic assault on truth. For it to be demanded that we believe claims that are objectively untrue (you know the mantra) is utterly sinister. When a society, or large swathes of it, loses its connection to reality, we lose the solid ground under our feet. We no longer have an agreed set of facts to start from - things that we can point to and agree on, even if we have different interpretations, or think they have different implications that we can then talk about. Losing our shared connection to reality is one of the most dangerous things we can do as a society.

Thelnebriati · 04/03/2021 13:49

I agree, its the fundamental untruth thats the problem. Using untruth as a deliberate tactic would put a group in with uncomfortable bedfellows. Its certainly not something that would be tolerated of women.

Impatiens · 04/03/2021 13:58

I agree with your points about both rights and stereotypes, but for me even more fundamental is the basic assault on truth.

Absolutely THIS. The push to force people to accept lies and promote lies - it's the basis for all the worst ideologies. DP has become even more clued up on the trans activism issue than me now, and the main driver for him is his disgust at the dishonesty.

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