White actress described as woman of colour

[Buttonitboris]

So white actress from South America referred to as woman of colour, and there you have it, first sex, now race. Nothing to do with the actress BTW.

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Her father has Scottish ancestry but grew up in Argentina. How does this make someone “of colour”? It is ridiculous.

I have an interesting question on these lines.
I went to school with someone who was white with ginger hair and freckles. His mum was black. He inherited her hair texture but was had the colouring of his father. A strange fluke of genetics, to be sure.
Would he be entitled to refer to himself as mixed race, or black, or BAME or other terms? Because on the face of it (literally) he is white.

@merrymouse

This seems to be caused by confusion about the very diverse population of ‘Latin’ America. I suppose in America they are lumped together because there is specific prejudice against Spanish speakers who have emigrated from the South American continent. However, that is a lot of people to lump together!

This is a very good point a Latin American person or " latino" is someone who is from a location. It's like saying I'm European or African but I dont believe it to be a race. I actually got into an argument with someone if the pub because they thought a white person couldn't be African which I pointed out to be a very racist point of view.

She never said she was a woman of colour she said she was proud of her Argentina heritage.

It's absurdly insulting to (actual) women of colour who have obvious African/Caribbean heritage, for an obviously white blonde celebrity to be "applauded" for being a WOC winning an award frequently given to white blonde people...

It's identity politics gone mad.

I think that the controversy over this is more revealing than the initial statement.

To me it looks like it was an honest error where the writer assumed that all latinos are non-white. The fact that the whole award had to be seen through the prism of race is just par for the course these days, but a lot of people do misunderstand the nature of some terms like latino or hispanic, and there are understandable reasons for that misunderstanding.

All that is really required is a simple correction.

Instead there is some controversy where someone must have dome something WRONG and probably RACIST, and this actress feels obligated to make a public statement that she has never claimed to be a person of colour and she acknowledges her privilege.

That is some weird shit.

It is very strange! A combination of lazy journalism as Clymene says, and people desperate to get some sort of woke olympics medal.

On a completely trivial level, i’m three eps into the queen’s gambit and taylor-joy’s face is absolutely mesmerising. I do think Cate Blanchett, who lost to her in the same category for Mrs America, was absolutely robbed though, she was phenomenal in that.

A US poster of Mexican origin explained that on her birth certificate issued over 50 years ago her race is described at white, but that wouldn’t be the case now.

Which is interesting because it suggests that a lot of this confusion is new, even in the US.

I think a lot of it is to do with identity politics/critical theory/cultural marxism (though I hate the latter term.)

Lots of these terms - white, POC, Latinio, Hispanic, even BIPOC - maybe all of them, do not mean "oppressed group." They mean something else, like people from a Latin culture, Spanish speaking people, people from no-European backgrounds, whatever. It may be that these groups are opressed, or maybe they aren't, or some members are. That can also change over time and in different places.

This idea that people who belong to a specific group are always grouped together because they are oppressed is a shallow understanding in a lot of ways. For that matter the increasing use of the word "white" to mean oppressor class is also not only inaccurate but makes real analysis of social oppression more difficult, and it lends itself to a deeply racist way of looking at the world.

@ChocOrange1

I have an interesting question on these lines. I went to school with someone who was white with ginger hair and freckles. His mum was black. He inherited her hair texture but was had the colouring of his father. A strange fluke of genetics, to be sure. Would he be entitled to refer to himself as mixed race, or black, or BAME or other terms? Because on the face of it (literally) he is white.

That's up to him. He is of mixed race and has been raised by a parent who is visibly BAME, and will have had his experience shaped by this.

2 of my DCs appear to the casual observer to be white, one does not. They can choose for themselves how they define themselves, though if they ended up getting awards aimed at disadvantaged groups, then I'd feel uncomfortable.

@SmokedDuck

I think that the controversy over this is more revealing than the initial statement.

To me it looks like it was an honest error where the writer assumed that all latinos are non-white. The fact that the whole award had to be seen through the prism of race is just par for the course these days, but a lot of people do misunderstand the nature of some terms like latino or hispanic, and there are understandable reasons for that misunderstanding.

All that is really required is a simple correction.

Instead there is some controversy where someone must have dome something WRONG and probably RACIST, and this actress feels obligated to make a public statement that she has never claimed to be a person of colour and she acknowledges her privilege.

That is some weird shit.

Also agree with this.

@fronz

There's a wide believe you can't be latino & white.

That makes no sense. The main colonisers in Latin America were the Spanish and the Portuguese. If Latina originates from them is anyone seriously saying the entire populations of Spain and Portugal are not white?

Obviously there will be many citizens of Latin America who are not white but the make of the World Cup squads of Latin American countries clearly shows many are white.

Again, it's not my belief!!

This reminds me of something I saw online the other day where some poor Italian woman was worried she was appropriating blackness because she turns very dark if she's exposed to the sun.

Yes, the way the internet jumps all over ariana grande for having a tan is insane. Male celebrities do not seem to be held to these mad standards, and i’m sick of seeing people like jameela jamil, taylor swift, emma watson etc (ie people who do seem to care about social justice, being feminist and all that) being ‘called out’ for ‘micro aggressions’ or ‘being problematic’ all the time, especially when there are white male celebrities who are literally wife beaters or rapists who seemingly get a free pass, it smacks of picking on easy targets.

I saw an advert recently for a job in Hackney which welcomed 'indigenous' applicants. Indigenous to where?!?!

Celts are especially invited to apply? Or Anglo-Saxons??

@teezletangler

I saw an advert recently for a job in Hackney which welcomed 'indigenous' applicants. Indigenous to where?!?!

Celts are especially invited to apply? Or Anglo-Saxons??

Picts, I'm thinking.

Or Neanderthals!

I’ve heard people referring to black british people as african american before. It’s people tying themselves in knots to say the ‘correct’ terminology and making themselves just sound silly. Anyway i’m off to campaign for better representation of the beaker people in hackney, brb.

I saw an advert recently for a job in Hackney which welcomed 'indigenous' applicants.

I'll tell my friend who is of Iceni heritage. She is always losing out to Roman job applicants.

I found every black cousins on my DNA match (just by looking at them, it is obviously, they are not light skin like Meghan and they have two black parents) are not 100% African, they are actually 30/40% European . You can not judge people based on how light they are and who their parents and call them biracial

Also, I discovered most people in England actually have more Scottish in their DNA than English (while we white Americans are more English than Scottish)

@debwong

I saw an advert recently for a job in Hackney which welcomed 'indigenous' applicants.

I'll tell my friend who is of Iceni heritage. She is always losing out to Roman job applicants.