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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Correct term

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earlyforties · 27/02/2021 09:04

What is the correct term to use for a woman who doesn't like other women? She is the opposite of a feminist. She panders to men & treats women horribly & as if they're not equal to men. Can a women be called chauvinistic or is there a different term?

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MenopausalCrone · 28/02/2021 22:23

A Martha

QueenoftheAir · 01/03/2021 10:57

But how do we know that women thought this too? History is full of men speaking about, for and to women. We don't have many women's voices

Mill wrote the essay with his wife, Harriet Taylor.

But also, in the year of its publication (1869), women could not:

  • own property if they were married
  • did not have custodial rights over their own children
  • could not divorce
  • could not take degrees
  • were rarely paid anywhere near the same as men
  • could be beaten by their husbands
  • could not vote

Mill is looking structurally & systemically; he's not talking about individuals, but about the structure of society.

DextrousCT · 01/03/2021 17:12

Here is an extended quote on the BS of Stockholm syndrome, please see Wikipedia entry for the rest:
...syndrome..(described as) a "dubious pathology with no diagnostic criteria"... "riddled with misogyny and founded on a lie"...a 2008 literature review revealed that "most diagnoses [of Stockholm syndrome] are made by the media, not by psychologists or psychiatrists." In particular, Hill's analysis revealed that Stockholm authorities — under direct guidance from Bejerot (who coined the term) — responded to the robbery in a way that put the hostages at greater risk from the police than from their captors (hostage Kristin Enmark, who during the siege was granted a phone call with Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, reported that Palme told her that the government would not negotiate with criminals, and that "you will have to content yourself that you will have died at your post"); as well, she observed that not only was Bejerot's diagnosis of Enmark made without ever having spoken to her, it was in direct response to her public criticism of his actions during the siege.

DextrousCT · 01/03/2021 17:25

Anyone who finds themselves under coercion will do what they have to to get through the situation.

Women as a class were shown concrete social benefits in attaching themselves to a man, and in accommodating themselves to a prescribed behavioral norm. After all you do get status in your group and in wider society, the respected matronly status of a wife and mother. And you get implicit and explicit protection, physical and financial.

Women who make this bargain don't have to make all kinds of effort against the unknown. If your other option is the prospect of doing battle against individuals and systems everywhere you turn, it is certainly the easier path to go along with the limiting but well-defined role. They don't value the dubious benefit of having to make your own way through life, with no guarantees. It is a legitimate choice, not one I could make, but do understand. I bet there are men who resent women, as they do not have this choice.

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