New Women’s Aid CEO sounds sensible

[CaveMum]

It’s a sad day when you get excited about the new Women’s Aid CEO standing up for women, but these are the times we live in.

Naturally she’s already had several “What about the menz?!” replies to her tweet.

twitter.com/farahnazeer/status/1365364722074333191?s=21

More power to you, Farah.

I wish her well. There have been some very worrying stories of refuges being defunded even in the last week. It’s nice to see someone doing their job.

This reply is a prime example of the harm peddled by the trans ideology. Regardless of the stats, the tweeter is putting two needs in conflict unnecessarily. If two demographics have conflicting needs, they need to be fulfilled separately, not to bury one beneath the other.

This reply is a prime example of the harm peddled by the trans ideology

I see this as more 'what about the men' than other issues. It's distressing to see statistics mis-used by the responding tweeter and a lack of understanding of the distinction between DV and intimate partner violence.

That thread

Staggering how many men get so angry and so threatened when women dare to talk about women instead of talking about men and ensuring to state clearly that men always have it much worser than women, are absolutely yes the biggest of all biggety victims in whatever the situation is and definitely more worthy of sympathy than women, that men are definitely the first concern of every good woman, and will definitely get the absolute lions share of all available resources while women may get the scraps left over if they're really good. (Now can we please talk quietly about what women might need in the background?)

Even Women's Aid ffs is supposed to be All About Men.

The thing that I find startling here is that the "what about the menz" brigade aren't advocating for actual male victims of DV.

I would speculate that these men are every bit as much in need of specialist male-centred provision as women are in need of female-centred provision. Cheaper, 'inclusive' generalist provision will just fail more people at a lower cost.

The whataboutery is staggering. The poor menz.

Twas ever thus Cheese! If the “what about teh menz” brigade put hand as much effort into creating refuges and services for men, as they do into their whataboutery, men would have a number of refuges by now. They’re not interested in men having things as much as women not having things. They seem to think women were just given women’s health services, refuges, maternity rights etc as soon as they asked rather than having to fight tooth and nail for all of it

They seem to think women were just given women’s health services, refuges, maternity rights etc as soon as they asked rather than having to fight tooth and nail for all of it

That figure on another thread of there being 9 families in competition for each refuge space where previously there were 4 - what do they think happens to the people who don't obtain a place nor adequate support?

It's that ingrained misogyny that women mustn't have anything of their own until they've provided the same thing for everyone else first.

We get less of it now - the misogyny has changed shape a bit - but I remember when it was all fields around here the several posts a week on MN demanding how dare MN be providing a forum for mums, it was sexist, what about dads? Where was the dads forum eh? Eh??! Allabunchofmanhatingfrigidotherwordstoo....

To which people used to very politely point out: MN has a dadsnet section (very little traffic), which the moaner hadn't bothered to look for and certainly didn't want to actually use, and there was nothing stopping men from creating their own parenting forum if they wanted to. No one has wanted to. Pistonheads is probably the best known mens forum but parenthood isn't the driving centre of it.

It was all about 'how dare you have something you haven't first given me the lions' share of'. Plus ca change really. The same attitude underpins all that the HoL were discussing.

If you set up a men's refuge do you think you would have women piling in like this? No, neither do I. They'd probably be nodding and saying well done.

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If you set up a men's refuge do you think you would have women piling in like this? No, neither do I. They'd probably be nodding and saying well done.

Frankly, at this point, I think we'd be thrilled to see remarkably niche refuges set up, as long as there were refuges available to people who need them at the point when they need them and were accessible to them and capable of delivering appropriate support services.

DV and IPV are a public health problem - refuges are the interim solution until such time as there is a social agreement on reducing the violence.

This is the obvious point, isn't it?

You have women, saying reasonably, can't we have lots of various refuges? We can have single sex ones, mixed sex ones, LGBT+ specific ones, you name it, let's do it. Lets have provision that meets everyones needs. And no, as women we're not fussed if we have to take three kids under five to Edinburgh because that's where the nearest bed is because that's how it is anyway.

The opposing view is no, there must be no possible provision remaining for female people that is not compulsorarily mixed sex. If this excludes women and children then shrug.

Arguing that more should be done for men who are victims of domestic violence does not mean having them come into women's refuges and support places for assistance.

There has been a couple of weeks of very significant bad press for Local Authorities (and NHS) making bad decisions about women. I hope there might be changes. I will personally be making issues about women important at the Local Elections and those local councillors and country councillors who say that people vote on local issues for local elections might well have to have a bit of a re-think.

At least I hope so

It would be helpful if everyone just emailed their local Council to say they've seen what has happened to provision around the UK and it'd better not happen locally or there'll be trouble.....

I think govt aren’t going to extend funding for specific shelters for men or GBT victims of dv unless there is a concerted effort by the entire sector working in tandem.

Govt seem to want the cheapest option, doesn’t respect single sex spaces or the specialisms needed to support victims/survivors
They will continue to open their tenders to tick box provision for all.
No decent DA charity will do as they want but they don’t care because victim support plus whomever will soak up all these contracts for little money and with less than limited understanding

Govt don’t really care about victims, safe spaces or anything else other than cheap and suitable for everyone.
This is a hideous move

@Wakaranaihito

It would be helpful if everyone just emailed their local Council to say they've seen what has happened to provision around the UK and it'd better not happen locally or there'll be trouble.....

brilliant idea.👏 one to add to the daily feminist actions thread