GenderGP again

[Thingybob]

GenderGP have posted on their website clarifying the service they provide in advance of The Telegraph publishing a story tomorrow.

www.gendergp.com/uk-media-promotes-climate-of-fear-for-trans-youth-gendergp-telegraph-response/

They confirm that children as young as 10 are prescribed PB
Cross sex hormones are prescribed to children as young as 12
Patients do not need to have any counseling or therapy
Physical examinations are not necessary
That they treat children without their parents consent
Treatment can begin within 4-6 weeks
Not all patients need to speak to a doctor.

But it's all legal and above board

Cross sex hormones at 12. Fucking hell. I hope the money eases your conscience.

I'm almost lost for words, but this bit puzzled me;
"GenderGP has prescribed hormones to patients as young as 12:
True. There may occasionally be compelling reasons as to why a young trans person, who is completely aligned with their gender identity, might benefit from allowing the right puberty to continue at an age as young as 12."

They could do with some training in how to write clearly, but I think what they mean by 'right' puberty is, for example, a biological female child who had that female puberty blocked, and is then put on male hormones in order to go through a version on male puberty? Is that ethical?

What irritates me about the assurance that patients do not need to have any counselling or therapy is that there are lots of life-limiting or chronic conditions for which people are begging for mental health support and they can't obtain it.

But, far be it from me to suggest that this is a period of hormonal turmoil and that adding PB (long-term) and cross-sex hormones into the mix for children might introduce some emotions and feelings for which it might be useful to be able to have some mental health support.

I hope the Telegraph tears them apart.

GenderGP offers treatment to young people who do not have the support of their parents:

True. Not all parents are supportive, and when a young patient is able to consent to their treatment in their own right, then that treatment can be appropriate and necessary.

It's not a massive journalistic scoop, because we are telling the world that we are totally guilty of all the things they are accusing us of!

@Chrysanthemum5

I'm almost lost for words, but this bit puzzled me; "GenderGP has prescribed hormones to patients as young as 12: True. There may occasionally be compelling reasons as to why a young trans person, who is completely aligned with their gender identity, might benefit from allowing the right puberty to continue at an age as young as 12."

They could do with some training in how to write clearly, but I think what they mean by 'right' puberty is, for example, a biological female child who had that female puberty blocked, and is then put on male hormones in order to go through a version on male puberty? Is that ethical?

What do they mean 'completely aligned with their gender identity'? How are they assessing that? How are they determining that a person under 16 can give consent? This is total bullshit.

On a side note- the twitter TRA were furious last night at a tweet from the Tavistock and Portman that dared to allude to the mental health issue in relation to gender identity..

GenderGP uses staff that has no training:
False. All of our specialists are highly trained experts in the field of transgender healthcare. While there is no formal qualification in this area, there is an abundance of research, guidance and best-practice evidence.

So actually 'true'. What a bunch of bastards.

Not all parents are supportive, and when a young patient is able to consent to their treatment in their own right, then that treatment can be appropriate and necessary.

She's forgotten about the ruling re minors inability to consent to these treatments already?

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

GenderGP uses staff that has no training: False. All of our specialists are highly trained experts in the field of transgender healthcare. While there is no formal qualification in this area, there is an abundance of research, guidance and best-practice evidence.

I think what they're saying is that it's unnecessary for doctors to have formal qualifications. An online course and identifying as a doctor should be enough.

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

GenderGP uses staff that has no training: False. All of our specialists are highly trained experts in the field of transgender healthcare. While there is no formal qualification in this area, there is an abundance of research, guidance and best-practice evidence.

What, like Kathryn Bristow who worked at a currency exchange bureau and as a croupier before becoming a 'pathway adviser'? I guess being good at handling money might come in useful at GenderGP.

Fucking hellfire.

So theoretically, a ten year old could approach them without their parents knowing anything about it, and with no blood tests or physical exam, be prescribed hormone blockers, which will stunt their growth, have a significant impact on their maturing brain and body, and possibly render them infertile with no sexual function as their reproductive system will remain pre pubescent.

A twelve year old could do the same, and also receive massive doses of hormones, which will do all of the above, and if the child is female, cause irrevocable changes to their body hair and voice and likely result in vaginal and uterine atrophy requiring a very early hysterectomy with all of the disastrous health effects it incurs,

Because those children don’t conform to sex role stereotypes?

Are they screening for autistic spectrum disorders? Are they asking about same sex attraction? Are they exploring with the child possible trauma?

I’m so mad about this. Given the Judical Review, how, how HOW do they get away with this?

Parents of trans kids, and trans people, please for gods sake will you demand better care for vulnerable people?

What jurisdiction is GenderGP operating under?

Claim: Any decision to prescribe cross sex hormones or puberty blockers to a patient before their 16th birthday should be taken jointly by at least two doctors involved in their treatment including a consultant endocrinologist and a senior psychosocial clinician. There should also be a court order in place sanctioning the treatment.

Their response to this claim indicates that they don't think the Keira Bell judgment applies to them, or that they just don't understand it.

This is what they said on 1st December following the judgment.

The judgement issued today does not state that it is against the law to prescribe or administer puberty blockers to anyone under the age of 16. It states that: ‘A child under 16 may only consent to the use of medication intended to suppress puberty where he or she is competent to understand the nature of the treatment.’

GenderGP will continue to prescribe when it is medically indicated, and the patient has the capacity within their own rights to give consent, or where the patient has the necessary support around them, to make informed decisions based on the information we have available.

So GenderGP think that children as young as 10 are capable of making a decision to be sterilised, and to have impaired sexual function as adults, despite the court deciding that it is unlikely that any child under 16 could give fully informed consent to treatment which would have these effects.

So theoretically, a ten year old could approach them without their parents knowing anything about it,…and possibly render them infertile with no sexual function as their reproductive system will remain pre pubescent.

A twelve year old could do the same…with all of the disastrous health effects it incurs

I'm wondering when and how the GP is notified so that this is entered into the healthcare record for the child. Otherwise, I would anticipate concerned parents taking a child to a GP because of the impact of PB or the cross-sex hormones and the GP would need to withhold that information from the parent and possibly refuse any referrals that the parent is requesting without being able to explain the rationale.

The GP would be being use as a conduit for medical gaslighting by proxy.

Do GGP come under EU law?

A quick refresher on the diagnostic criteria for childhood gender identity disorder, though I have no idea if gender gp use this or not? (Haven’t been through their full offering)

Diagnostic Criteria
Gender Dysphoria in Children
A. A marked incongruence between one's experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months' duration, as manifested by at least six of the following (one of which must be Criterion A1):

• A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one's assigned gender).
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong preference for cross-dressing or simulating female attire; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong preference for wearing only typical masculine clothing and a strong resistance to the wearing of typical feminine clothing.
• A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play.
• A strong preference for the toys, games, or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender.
• A strong preference for playmates of the other gender.
• In boys (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically masculine toys, games, and activities and a strong avoidance of rough-and-tumble play; or in girls (assigned gender), a strong rejection of typically feminine toys, games, and activities.
• A strong dislike of one's sexual anatomy.
• A strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics that match one's experienced gender. B. The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, school, or other important areas of functioning

Note the confusion of sex and gender, the use of “assigned” gender, the heavy reliance on stereotypes (what are “boys toys”, or “feminine activities”?), using signs that could equally be signs of abuse...

Possibly a slight tangent, but I just wanted to go there because I think many people still,really believe that there is a definite diagnosis of being a trans child, when actually this is a very recent thing, and any feminist reading this list should have some questions...

EmbarrassingAdmissions just wondering if the child’s GP is notified wouldn’t they have a responsibility to notify the parents / Governing body as the courts have currently ruled (cannot remember if it’s in force while an appeal is pending but GIDS is abiding by it) that a child cannot consent to the treatment. That must be a breach of professional conduct if they don’t? The GP is bound by UK regulations.

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

So theoretically, a ten year old could approach them without their parents knowing anything about it,…and possibly render them infertile with no sexual function as their reproductive system will remain pre pubescent.

A twelve year old could do the same…with all of the disastrous health effects it incurs

I'm wondering when and how the GP is notified so that this is entered into the healthcare record for the child. Otherwise, I would anticipate concerned parents taking a child to a GP because of the impact of PB or the cross-sex hormones and the GP would need to withhold that information from the parent and possibly refuse any referrals that the parent is requesting without being able to explain the rationale.

The GP would be being use as a conduit for medical gaslighting by proxy.

Interesting question. Generally, a private GP won’t proactively notify an NHS GP of any treatment they’ve given you, so they wouldn’t necessarily know what’s happened at all. It’s can be difficult to effectively link up private and NHS healthcare. Imagine thinking this is good practice for an already distressed and vulnerable child

That they treat children without their parents consent

WTF! How is this allowed? Knowing what we know now about PBs and XSH, how do these people sleep at night? It’s incredible what people can live with when their bank balance is huge.

@StandWithYou

EmbarrassingAdmissions just wondering if the child’s GP is notified wouldn’t they have a responsibility to notify the parents / Governing body as the courts have currently ruled (cannot remember if it’s in force while an appeal is pending but GIDS is abiding by it) that a child cannot consent to the treatment. That must be a breach of professional conduct if they don’t? The GP is bound by UK regulations.

I’ve just had to fill in three forms giving consent as the parent for my children just to be tested for COVID as part of their return to school as they are under 16.

How is it legal for any HCP to do ANYTHING with a child without parental consent, let alone giving them medication?

The research that Danial Webb (?) sounds like he has demonstrated that although they have created a very opaque ownership structure, the company is still based in the UK to all intents and purposes so surely must be subject to UK law?

Certainly when the tax man investigates where companies are registered and where they carry out the bulk of their operations they take quite a dim view of such blatant obfuscation to the truth.

I keep seeing tweets from people (mostly across the pond) saying that these things (drugs and surgery) do not happen to children and young adults.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/02/26/children-can-order-life-altering-transgender-drugs-bedroom/

@Sexnotgender

Cross sex hormones at 12. Fucking hell. I hope the money eases your conscience.

Conscience?