“Neither of us have got a womb"

[megabass]

www.bbc.co.uk/tiny-happy-people/kieron-richardson-surrogacy/ztc4bqt

Not sure who I'm most angry at... the BBC? these two d*s?

The level of dehumanisation the woman goes through in this "article"... is staggering.

The words woman and mother are not used anywhere.

I keep thinking there is going to be a stopping point, but it just gets more and more sinister.
These people are not playing, they intend to compleatly de-humanise women is society. It is begining to really terrify me.

I agree dyslek - and there are sooooo many enablers

@ShulamithFirestone

Purposefully creating babies who won't be brought up with a mother sickens me.

Me too. I feel it is most unethical to purposely create a 'motherless' child.

They had another scan at seven weeks to confirm it was twins.

They fucking didn’t. She who cannot be named did.

Adoptive parents are vetted, yet somehow commissioning parents just need money and access. I find their discussion of mother's bodies just so depressing.

I've read it all now and I am fuming more. Agree with the 'woe is me' sentiment that runs through it.

"They began the IVF process but faced challenges along the way – hearing the news of a successful pregnancy on the third attempt."

They began the IVF process? I'd say it was the woman who did the work here - 3 times, before they got a positive result. And how many embryos did they transfer if they were wondering if there were more than 2 in there, maybe even 4 or 5?

And on top of taking the twins away from their mother at the point of birth, the babies didn't even get to sleep beside each other, so worried about each of the babies bonding equally with each dad. they couldn't even put the babies needs before their own once they had them home. Very sad.

I also wonder how the daughter will feel once she is a teenager and knows that she had a perfectly capable mother but was never allowed to know her. Or when she is an adult and carrying a baby herself and realises it is much more a phenomenal process than say growing and hatching a baby chick in an incubator.

They began the IVF process but faced challenges along the way – hearing the news of a successful pregnancy on the third attempt.

Three rounds of IVF. How many times does a woman have to inject herself with hormones in three rounds of IVF?

What a chilling article. What an unpleasant pair of men: ignorant, entitled, callous and exploitative. The attitude to their surrogate and motherhood displayed is obscene.

Fanny - the NHS is funded by the public purse. Is the expectation that the UK taxpayer funds the healthcare costs of British national surrogates carrying babies for foreign nationals? Or will VAT be levied as it is a service rendered and the tax monies will offsets the healthcare costs? Either scenario is grim and wrong. Increasingly I feel that men really must fucking hate women.

@Alexandernevermind

I stopped reading at "do we get a friend" to surrogate for us. They did mean ask a friend? Didn't they?

I shuddered at that too.

what an awful piece! they arranged "as many scans as possible" - did the mother have any say in this? also absolutely no mention of how the birth went for "the surrogate" or if she recovered ok... so awful :(. i'm only realising now 2 years after my third pregnancy that my body will never be the same after babies... it's not like you just pop them out and then everything is the same as before! also i hate thinking of the babies being taken away from their mother immediately after she has them :(

That is utterly despicable.

One of the editors at the Times & his partner have a surrogate’s child, plus there is a column in either the Saturday Times Magazine or Style about a woman who has a baby via a surrogate.

No mention of women being more likely to die if they carry a child which has no biological connection to themselves.

I think parents should only be allowed to have babies via surrogates if they donate a kidney. There’s a huge shortage of kidney donors and it would ‘be kind’.

The sentence that stood out for me is
“ I think it’s a kind of myth that you have to grow the baby inside you to bond, whether you do adoption or our way."

Unfortunately, biology trumps wants.
There is no myth about what happens when you "grow the baby inside you".
The inconvenient fact is that you are intrinsically enmeshed/bonded with this developing life; hormonally, emotionally.

Deliberately removing a child from that bond is a rupture at the first point in the child's life.

For goodness sake, what is with the "fashion" to have a surrogate child.

It's a bloody awful trend.
It's like adopting from Romania was trendy for a while, then it was Russia, Ethiopia, China, Vietnam. Now surrogacy.

There are so many children already in the world who are in appalling circumstances through no fault of their own.
The privilege that they could experience. That a couple like this could offer.
Of course, it would be demanding, and the child might not be "perfect".

But, why on earth would you farm a baby when you could give a home to a disadvantaged child ?

(PS it's a rhetorical question).

Christ I've seen it all now.

Don't the BBC need to put a disclaimer on this part of the same website, lest "a surrogate" inadvertently thinks the guidance is for her?

www.bbc.co.uk/tiny-happy-people/baby-movements-pregnancy/zm9ft39
Quote "Being mindful of their movements can help you build an early bond with your baby."

Thoroughly repulsive article

The BBC have been sharing all kinds lately, how to explain surrogacy to kids (CBeebies so we're talking quite young)

And this:

"My biggest fear about becoming a new parent was discrimination. The fact that we are a lesbian couple, Em's trans & I'm disabled...I was just worried that, that was going to be something that would affect Bronwyn. Being out as a family for the first time was a really liberating thing." ❤️⠀
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Did you feel nervous about your first trip out after having a baby? 👶
BBC Tiny Happy People

fb.watch/3SsQ1a_0pH/

And this

Single man looking for a surrogate - BBC www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4175168-single-man-looking-for-a-surrogate-bbc