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Original poster

So a lesbian festival is not allowed to exclude trans women but a gay festival is allowed to exclude trans men

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stumbledin · 21/02/2021 19:18

As if it were needed further evidence that the TRAs are effectively MRAs.

pridesource.com/article/owners-of-gay-michigan-camp-boomerang-ban-trans-men-in-social-media-post/

thread title edited by MNHQ at OP's request

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gamerchick · 21/02/2021 19:23

Well it was just a matter of time before it came for the men. They're getting the backlash for it but can't see them caring in usual male style.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/02/2021 19:24

I think you've got the title wrong, the ban is against trans men.

Original poster
stumbledin · 21/02/2021 19:25

oops - will contact mnhq asap!

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BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 19:48

Well, who do these homosexuals think they are to be so choosy about their sexual partners? It's completely bigoted for a gay man or a lesbian to reject someone simply because they are the opposite sex.

Tbh, that article is highly critical of the campsite that has said it is indeed for gay men only. Gay men are facing the same issues as lesbians. The power/threat dynamic is different, of course, but I'm sorry, no one should call themselves a decent sort if they try to make lesbians or gay men feel bad about saying no to the opposite sex. Every single excuse the people who do this have is an excuse for anti gay and anti lesbian bigotry.

BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 19:50

For the avoidance of all doubt, my first paragraph was sarcastic. I feel I have to point that out nowadays because of all the bigots who seem to think it's a legitimate opinion.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 20:01

@ErrolTheDragon

I think you've got the title wrong, the ban is against trans men.
I don't understand the title at all. Am I missing something? The linked thread is about camping facilities. A camp aimed at gay men has banned trans men and trans men are complaining vociferously about it.
Thelnebriati · 21/02/2021 20:11

The title has been amended by Mumsnet, they put a message in the OP instead of the title.

BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 20:14

Yeah, I think the title suggests it's hunky dory for the gay men to reject the TMs, but that's not what the article is slanted towards at all. It's one camp site, and all the other campsites are at pains to point out they aren't gay only campsites but welcome everyone because that's very much the only acceptable option.

This is the same as these bloody horrible dating apps. 'Sure, you can have a lesbian or gay male space. But we define that to include literally everyone, so Haha! #LoveIsLove #EwwwHomosexuals'

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 20:25

@Thelnebriati

The title has been amended by Mumsnet, they put a message in the OP instead of the title.
It says "thread title edited by MNHQ at OP's request^

I don't know what the original title was but the thread title bears no resemblance to what the link in the opening post is about.

Actually the opening post bears no resemblance to what the link in the opening post is about.

Original poster
stumbledin · 21/02/2021 20:35

MissBarbary?

Maybe you are not aware of the history of Michfest etc.?

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Original poster
stumbledin · 21/02/2021 20:42

Since then most women would not dare to publicly talk about women only events meaning no trans women.

But a group of gay men feel they can say no trans men.

It isn't about what I do or do not feel about it, it is about men not being silenced as women are.

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BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 20:43

Yes,but they're not really 'allowed' are they? One site is pushing back a little and getting a lot of criticism for it. I hope they don't capitulate, but even if they don't, they are only one. I'm fully aware of Michfest. I want lesbian spaces back (though lesbian spaces disappearing has been going g on for much longer than the last couple of years) but I don't particularly relish gay men being in the firing line for all this either.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 20:45

@stumbledin

MissBarbary?

Maybe you are not aware of the history of Michfest etc.?

Yes I am but the link you have posted has nothing to do with that.

The thread you have linked to is about trans men complaining they are barred from a camp site for gay men.

The link has absolutely nothing to do with lesbian or gay festivals and far from it being ok for gay men to exclude trans men they are being roundly condemned for it.

The title and your post are extremely misleading.

BeatricePrior · 21/02/2021 20:48

The title may be wrong but the article is still the same? No transman at a men's event.

Be fucking uproar if this was the other way round.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 20:51

@BeatricePrior

The title may be wrong but the article is still the same? No transman at a men's event.

Be fucking uproar if this was the other way round.

Did you read the article?

Backlash to the statement online was swift and severe as Quinn continued commenting and, some say, making the situation worse

BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 20:52

There is. The bulk of that article, in what looks like gay media, is heavily criticising the campsite and has a long quite from a TM bemoaning gay men being so interested in cock.

What am I missing here?

BuntingEllacott · 21/02/2021 20:55

I mean, don't get me wrong, there's a charmer on FWR atm posting that not all lesbians are same sex attracted, and I'm never shy about pointing out that anti lesbian bullshit. But I'm sorry, gay men might be late to the party, but they are definitely feeling the heat now.
Again, the power threat dynamic isn't the same, but it's still grimly homophobic stuff.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 21:00

I don't think you're missing anything BuntingEllacott

I query the wisdom of the thread title and the opening post- both are so wide of the mark.

BeatricePrior · 21/02/2021 21:01

@MissBarbary
Apologies if I've read this wrong but I'm reading it as they have said if you have a penis fine come and stay if you don't you can't?

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 21:15

[quote BeatricePrior]@MissBarbary
Apologies if I've read this wrong but I'm reading it as they have said if you have a penis fine come and stay if you don't you can't?

[/quote]
The business being criticised is a campsite for gay men. The owners have said you can call yourself a man but if you don't have a penis you can't come to our campsite.

Trans men - i.e men who don't have penises are complaining loudly about this.

If you read the article there is a " fucking uproar"

notyourhandmaid · 21/02/2021 21:47

Bad headline - the exclusion is being denounced thoroughly.

Once again, trans rights activism suggests that being gay and wanting same-sex spaces is 'transphobic' - while being horribly, horribly homophobic.

The framing of 'we want a space for just gay men' as 'excluding certain kinds of men', aka the female kind - it's the same kind of shit lesbians are used to seeing.

BeatricePrior · 21/02/2021 21:51

@MissBarbary
I think if you have a vagina you can't go.

MissBarbary · 21/02/2021 22:23

[quote BeatricePrior]@MissBarbary
I think if you have a vagina you can't go.[/quote]
Er yes- I did get that.

The point is the thread title and the opening post are completely misleading and irrelevant to the subject matter of the article.

Gay men are getting told off for not allowing vagina owning trans men into their camp. There is as you phrase it "a fucking uproar" being made about this.

BeatricePrior · 21/02/2021 22:33

We are agreeing On the same thing then?

Sorry I'm reading this as if you are having a bit of a disagreement with me?

If I'm wrong apologies if not I'm not sure what we are disagreeing on?

I might be reading this all wrong??