Trans women attack young male

[caramac04]

Sorry I can’t link to an article and video from the MailOnline.
A 19 year old male was verbally abusive to a group of trans women saying they needed fannies to be women. He was also racially abusive to one of them.
In my opinion his abuse was unacceptable, but the ensuing attack was awful. Stamping on his head whilst he was on the floor.
This may not be typical of trans women but I can’t help but feel that had this young male been abusive to (cis - I hate this term) women, they would be far less likely to have beaten him up.
Thoughts?

This sounds like a story from a year ago that was discussed at the time.

The Leicester Square Tube station story was reported at the time as an attack by women on the man. Trans was only disclosed at the trial. The accused disclosed their own trans status then.

This case was initially reported as a "group of women", and people were rightly sceptical. Obviously this was typical male behaviour, and very atypical female, so many people pondered "are you sure they weren't transwomen?" and got called "transphobic" for it. Unsurprisingly, the people pondering were right.

You can run the conditional probabilities - if 1% of violent stranger attacks are by females and 1% of the population pretends to be the opposite sex, what are the odds that a purportedly-"female" attacker is actually male? 50%. The exact number would depend on the precise proportions, but given two similar small numbers, you're looking at roughly equal odds for "this event was an actual female behaving exceptionally" and "this event was one of the rare males claiming to be female".

As I understand it the judge was lenient to the attackers on the grounds of the abuse they'd suffered, basically saying that the victim "deserved it".

Just saw a fantastic related post on ovarit where someone talked about something their "dad" who came out as trans had done - and immediately got lots of people "correcting" them to "mom".

As one commenter pointed out: I love how they all assume that it is a transwoman and not a transman. They know.

There was nothing in the post necessarily indicating misgendering - she could have been "correctly gendering" a FTM - except that obviously from behaviour she must almost certainly be talking about a male.

Yes, I remember being absolutely gobsmacked that the judge basically said the lad who'd made the rude remark deserved to get his head kicked. Reinforced by the lenient penalty. And today we have Keir Starmer saying transpeople are the most oppressed ever ...

Thank you for your thoughts, I didn’t realise this had been discussed before.
I’ve never wanted trans women in women’s toilets but this makes it crystal clear that women would be in danger by sharing their space.

I’ve never wanted trans women in women’s toilets but this makes it crystal clear that women would be in danger by sharing their space
Well, we’re in danger if we say ‘No, we don’t want to share this space’ absolutely fine if we shut up

You'd never know it from the headlines but if you read any of the articles in e.g. The Metro, the court heard that the 'victim' was attacked after calling one of the group (a female mother of 4) a "black cnt"* as well as the transphobic abuse of the rest of the group, who were referred to as "a gang" (wonder if their skin colour had anything to do with that word-choice?)

So - friends stand up to a racist, misogynistic and transphobic abuser (who didn't need to go to hospital), and yet that wasn't the story told or, more importantly, reacted to, was it?

@MadBadDaddy

You'd never know it from the headlines but if you read any of the articles in e.g. The Metro, the court heard that the 'victim' was attacked after calling one of the group (a female mother of 4) a "black cnt"* as well as the transphobic abuse of the rest of the group, who were referred to as "a gang" (wonder if their skin colour had anything to do with that word-choice?)

So - friends stand up to a racist, misogynistic and transphobic abuser (who didn't need to go to hospital), and yet that wasn't the story told or, more importantly, reacted to, was it?

The victim was a person of colour. Only one of the attacking group was black - going by the video. We only have their word about the alleged abuse incidentally.

@MadBadDaddy

You'd never know it from the headlines but if you read any of the articles in e.g. The Metro, the court heard that the 'victim' was attacked after calling one of the group (a female mother of 4) a "black cnt"* as well as the transphobic abuse of the rest of the group, who were referred to as "a gang" (wonder if their skin colour had anything to do with that word-choice?)

So - friends stand up to a racist, misogynistic and transphobic abuser (who didn't need to go to hospital), and yet that wasn't the story told or, more importantly, reacted to, was it?

You can't react to verbal abuse with physical violence, especially 4 on 1. That's crossing a line.

^^ And so what if the victim didn't need hospital treatment. That's pure luck. People can die from one punch.

What happened to sticks and stones etc?

You can't pass off a concerted physical attack by 4 people as a proportional reaction to any name calling.

Shame the judge didn't think twice about what he was actually condoning!

toilets but this makes it crystal clear that women would be in danger by sharing their space.

One of the attackers was born female.

Not really ‘crystal clear’ is it.

No. It's not at all clear.

Not as though 90+% of all violence is perpetrated by males.

The presence of one woman shows that women are as violent as men.

What are you excusing?

@Anovaneway men are more violent than women which is partly why trans women don’t want to use male toilets.

Madness!

You approve of violence and physically assaulting people then, Mad.

By the way, the one ordinary-sort-of female, in the group with the three transwomen, was convicted despite being far less aggressive in the videos we all saw.
“Tyler's sister Hannah, 26, who tried to break up the fight, also admitted one count causing fear or provocation of violence.”

The reporting of this whole thing has been strange. I’m not sure that one person on the ground being kicked in the head by three is still reasonably called “a fight”.

"Misogynistic Racist Transphobe Fucks Around, Finds Out" would have been a better headline, IMO

Ah, the old "Look what you made me do!" defence.