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Scotland Hate Crime Bill - Urgent action before Monday 22 Feb 2021

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NonnyMouse1337 · 19/02/2021 17:32

The Justice Committee has published four types of free speech clauses that could be added to the Hate Crime Bill.

There is now an extremely tight consultation window for people to send in their views on these proposed amendments. The deadline is 10am on Monday 22 February.

The Committee has stressed that it will not publish any submissions that do not relate to the amendments on freedom of expression. This is because it has finished its consideration at Stage 1 and Stage 2.

Free to Disagree campaign group have provided some guidance on responding to the call for views.

I think For Women Scotland and maybe MBM policy group may also publish something soon. Will post it here when it is available.

mailchi.mp/freetodisagree/urge-msps-to-call-for-more-changes-to-hate-crime-bill-7479981

The Committee has published 4 proposed free speech clauses. Options 1 and 2 would allow 'discussion and criticism' of age, disability, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics, and 'antipathy, dislike, ridicule and insult' against religion. Options 3 and 4 would allow 'discussion and criticism' of all the characteristics listed.

What should I say?

In your own words:

* Tell MSPs that the proposed free speech provisions are not broad enough to protect freedom of expression on sensitive LGBT issues.

* Point out that debate about contentious issues linked to religion, sexual orientation and transgender identity has to go further than mere 'discussion and criticism'.

* Suggest that scrutiny of this important aspect of the bill should be extended and, if necessary, delayed until the next parliament.

* Point out that opposing the stirring up hatred offences would not leave minority groups with less protection. The law already punishes 'threatening and abusive' behaviour and offences aggravated by prejudice are treated more seriously.

* Religion and belief is a controversial subject and people must be free to argue about it without being accused of a hate crime. The Committee must adopt the most robust version of the religious free speech clause.

* Ask why the Government proposing something weaker than the sexual orientation free speech clause in section 12 of their bill. That same wording has been in effect without controversy in England and Wales for over a decade.

* Transgender identity is a sensitive issue for both sides of the debate. Free speech here needs stronger protection than is currently proposed. The over-reaction to the very idea of a trans free speech clause just goes to prove the need for it.

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purplebutterflybiscuits · 19/02/2021 18:20

Thanks for posting, I will have a look over the weekend.

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 19/02/2021 18:25

Thanks for this. Will draft something for MSPs over the weekend.

NonnyMouse1337 · 19/02/2021 18:27

Guidance from For Women Scotland now available. They have been invited to a Justice Committee meeting on Monday 22nd to discuss the amendments, which will be on Parliament TV from 2.30pm.

mailchi.mp/62b165d4aa6b/important-hate-crime-bill-consultation

The Justice Minister said NONE of the four options are the Scottish Government's preferred options, NONE of them were recommended by Lord Bracadale, who was tasked by the Government to review the hate crime laws - and NONE of them, in our opinion, will protect any of us from police investigations into 'transphobia' for speaking about women's rights.

Our starting point is Option 1 as the best of the options on offer as it allows for discussion and criticism on all the characteristics and provides some further protection for people to express antipathy, dislike, ridicule or insult on matters relating to religion.

However, it does not go nearly far enough. In your response you may like to include the following points:

* We need robust protection of free speech and if MSPs from three political parties have expressed their trepidation about the tone of the debate around women's rights and reform of the GRA, then the chilling effect on ordinary citizens to feel able to speak on the issues is surely obvious.
(Adam Tomkins, Convener of the Committee, admitted he was “alarmed and distressed, and perhaps even, if I’m honest, a little afraid”, Johann Lamont was "anxious" and Justice Minister Humza Yousaf was unwilling to confirm if there are only two sexes - see the Herald article.)

* Prominent campaigners - including Tim Hopkins of Equality Network, and councillor and potential MSP Graham Campbell - are talking about hate crimes as including "using the wrong pronouns or the wrong first name". There have already been occasions where women who have been physically assaulted by males who self-identify as women are told to refer to their assailants as women. We would be horrified if, for example, women giving evidence in court were compelled to refer to a rapist as "she" or face prosecution.

We have also seen the introduction of laws, such as the Gender Representation on Public Boards Act, that have capitalised on the use of "preferred pronouns" as evidence that a male is entitled to apply for a role reserved for women. IPSO guidelines already ask that reporters refer to male criminals who commit horrific crimes as "she". Without the right to name men as men such practices cannot be called out, and it needs to made abundantly clear that compelled speech forms no part of the Bill.

* There is mounting evidence that individuals, and indeed lobby groups, are planning to use any legislation to report women campaigning against changes to the GRA. Campaigners closely aligned to many Scottish political parties are openly calling groups like ours, MBM, WPUK, etc "hate groups" and nothing is being to done check this. We really require clear and unequivocal statements from the government that they will not allow this to be used to silence critics of proposed policy, especially in the run up to the election. Currently, we have little faith that they will do so.

* There is a hierarchy of characteristics which fails to ensure equality. Even under the best option, Option 1, trans people will be able to express feelings of "antipathy, dislike, ridicule or insult" towards women - which is frequently done in highly vitriolic and abusive terms - yet women are confined to "discussion and criticism". This imbalance needs to be corrected by extending the additional free speech provisions relating to religion to the other characteristics.

Overall, we would ask for Option 1, with the extra free speech provision extended to all characteristics, plus a clear Government statement that the Hate Crime Bill does not seek to criminalise statements of scientific or biological facts, pronoun choice, or campaigns to retain women's rights in law or to challenge policy changes.

We also note that, despite it being deemed necessary by the Convener of the Committee, there has been no clarity on the definition of "transgender identity" from the Scottish Government. Similarly, it is not clear what "criticism" or "abusive" encompass and more could be done to remove the uncertainty and subjectivity.

We remain concerned that this Bill has not been given enough time or due consideration at Stage 2 of the Parliamentary proceedings, and we may yet have to rely on a more appropriate amendment at the final stage.

Please email your thoughts on the Freedom of Expression Amendment to:
[email protected] by 10am on Monday 22nd February 2021.

It doesn't have to be a long submission, but certainly no more that 6 pages, and attached to your email as a Word document. It's also worthwhile sending a copy to all EIGHT of your MSPs - just put your postcode in HERE to find their email addresses.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 19/02/2021 18:29

Remember to email your submission to

[email protected]

by 10am on Monday 22nd February 2021

You can also send a copy of the submission to all eight of yous MSPs.

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ArabellaScott · 19/02/2021 19:01

Thanks, Nonny.

Options 1 and 2 would allow 'discussion and criticism' of age, disability, sexual orientation, transgender identity and variations in sex characteristics, and 'antipathy, dislike, ridicule and insult' against religion. Options 3 and 4 would allow 'discussion and criticism' of all the characteristics listed.

It just sounds so bloody ridiculous. Are the polis really going to be out there debating whether someone was showing antipathy or ridicule?

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2021 19:35

I've done it. Thanks to FWS for guidance.

Curious, though, when I go to find my MSPs, one can filter by party, or by gender.

Why would anyone want to write to only male or only female MSPs? I don't see the reasoning.

OhHolyJesus · 19/02/2021 19:37

I'll do it over the weekend too.

That right deadline is really dodgy AF.

Cheeky bastards.

ArabellaScott · 19/02/2021 19:58

Int'it, OhHoly? It's almost like they have no intention of listening in the first place and are just making a token gesture of 'consulting'.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 19/02/2021 21:59

The consultation period is ONE WEEKEND FFS arrogant bastards

Thank you for the heads up Nonny

ShowmetheSnowdrops · 19/02/2021 22:19

Could you post this on Scotsnet too, please.

NonnyMouse1337 · 19/02/2021 22:54

@ShowmetheSnowdrops

Could you post this on Scotsnet too, please.
Done. Smile
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ArabellaScott · 20/02/2021 10:43

Bumping this for the morning people. Hello, (late) morning people.

Maybe time to write, even a few lines, to let the Scotgov know how you feel?

highame · 20/02/2021 12:08

I think they're forgetting who they're dealing with Grin Have noticed this is happening more and more.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2021 13:22

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2021/02/20/response-to-emergency-consultation-on-protection-of-freedom-of-expression-in-the-hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill/?fbclid=IwAR1AB5ndLhB_GV3AIJ3KoqpzqtC6yeIURGfYmNRK8PRv4vLGFUnoI4Y6gmA

Murray Blackburn Mackenzie's guidance here, for anyone who would find it useful.

highame, they can give us a fucking half hour deadline, we'll meet it.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 20/02/2021 20:24

Thanks for that Arabella

Tibtom · 20/02/2021 20:34

@OhHolyJesus

I'll do it over the weekend too.

That right deadline is really dodgy AF.

Cheeky bastards.

And the committee get just four and a half HOURS to read, consider and digest the responses before turning Scotland into a totalitarian police state.
2Rebecca · 20/02/2021 21:07

Done. Went with FWS's option 1 but included a rant about how the whole bill is crap (but more eloquent of course!). Does anyone understand Scot Gov's waffle that tells you what info you have to include? The anonymity stuff is very vague.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2021 23:11

included a rant about how the whole bill is crap (but more eloquent of course!)

Mine wasn't much more eloquent ... they give one weekend for responses, they're not getting bloody Dostoevsky.

lightand · 20/02/2021 23:25

I will bump.
I dont know much about it, but it looks awful.

And you can sort of tell it must be awful, when people choose to try and rush something through.

lightand · 20/02/2021 23:27

And the committee get just four and a half HOURS to read, consider and digest the responses before turning Scotland into a totalitarian police state

Very concerning.

ArabellaScott · 20/02/2021 23:44

you can sort of tell it must be awful, when people choose to try and rush something through

Is there time to develop some sort of signal, so that we can let other women in the UK know that we need someone to come and rescue us?

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/02/2021 10:36

Bump! Please do this today if you can.

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ArabellaScott · 21/02/2021 13:48

Bumpy bump! Please help out by letting the Scotgov know how you feel about the new hate crime bill!

OvaHere · 21/02/2021 14:21

Another bump

lightand · 21/02/2021 15:59

Bump

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