Sperm frozen before surgery

[OhHolyJesus]

I was thinking about the boys in the GIDS study who wanted to freeze their sperm. I think there were 3 and all failed so even with surrogacy becoming easier in some countries/states these boys will not become biological parents.

Here is a story of an adult, I found it in relation to surrogacy. This person is a Dr in India.

I was struck by the options available to adults with mature gametes and the level of trauma those poor boys likely experienced and will continue to and how this adult has approached this.

"A transwoman, who was born as man in Gujarat and grew up to become a doctor, wants to give birth to a child with her own frozen semen. She is planning to undergo an enabling surgery.
"If everything goes well and the uterus transplant is done well, I can conceive my own baby through the IVF. I want to be a mother of my own child or I will go for surrogacy to become a mother," Dr Jensoor Dayara told India Today.
Daraya, 25, is Gujarat's first transwoman doctor. She earned an MBBS degree from a Russian university. She was born in Godhra town in the Panchmahal district of Gujarat.
She told India Today that she planned to settle abroad as there were no strict laws for surrogacy and pregnancy.
The surrogacy bill, which was passed in 2019 by the Lok Sabha, does not allow a single male or a lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) couple or those in live-in relationship to opt for surrogacy.
The young doctor said she has embraced the beauty of education and awareness to be who she is today. "It took me a lot of courage to accept myself, and make my family and society accept me," Dayara said.
"As a tyke, I used to wear sarees and use lipstick just like my mother and sister. However, I kept these feelings inside because I didn't want to hurt her family. I have now embraced my reality and dared to live the way I want to. By this year or maybe next year I will have surgery, and will officially become a woman," Dayara added."

No because they are still incapable of producing an egg.

Like the womb that would also need to be donated.

Having said that the idea of womb implants into men is far from a possibility medically right now.

As pp's have pointed out is designed to reside in a female body and there the obstacles of male body implantation are massive even ignoring the ethics of such a procedure (which is essentially experimenting on a foetus).

But my understanding is that legally, the mother is the person who has delivered a baby, regardless of where the gamete comes from. So, in surrogacy, the mother is the woman who gestates and delivers a baby, even if a donor egg was used.
So in the case of a male, gestating a donor egg fertilised with his sperm, in a donated uterus transplanted in his body, when the child is delivered surgically, he could legally be both the mother and the father?

So in the case of a male, gestating a donor egg fertilised with his sperm, in a donated uterus transplanted in his body, when the child is delivered surgically, he could legally be both the mother and the father?

To be fair the only man who would ever choose to go through this hypothetical medical experiment would be of the sort to insist on being called "mother" on all legal documents despite using own sperm to create the baby....

Thank god we're never going to see this happening.

Where would you get a womb from

Organ donation I think has a part about tissue donation. So I guess is a womb tissue or an organ? And will the rules change? And even if wombs are not currently listed, will they be at some point. Especially now its opt out.

I'd wonder at this Russian university where they got their degree from. Their anatomy teaching must be well dodgy!

@Gurufloof

Where would you get a womb from

Organ donation I think has a part about tissue donation. So I guess is a womb tissue or an organ? And will the rules change? And even if wombs are not currently listed, will they be at some point. Especially now its opt out.

Organs are different tissues within a structure, so a womb is an organ.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

This kind of thing makes me so angry.

I was pregnant for the first time nearly 30 years ago. For the duration of the pregnancy I didn't drink coffee, I hardly drank tea, I had no alcohol, I was reluctant to take over the counter medication if I had a headache or a cold. I continued to be extremely cautious about what I ingested during the year or so I was breastfeeding. If I'd been on a complex mix of artificial hormones I would have seriously questioned whether it was safe for me to conceive at all. My baby's safety was absolutely paramount.

Where are these considerations in these fantasies about natal males giving birth by means of an implanted uterus? It would be an extremely high risk undertaking for the male person undergoing the implant, but for the baby conceived through IVF and implanted into the uterus the chance of being nurtured to full term and safely delivered would be next to nil. How can this be condoned? Why aren't HCPs and philosophers and just about everybody with a professional interest here saying a very firm 'NO' to these ludicrous pie in the sky discussions?

YES!!!! Exactly.

[quote MaudTheInvincible]Pregnancy is indeed hard on the human body. Women are endurance specialists because of it.

Ultimate limit of human endurance found www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48527798[/quote]
Wow. Had never thought of it like that before!

I've decided to opt out of the organ donor register over this, though a novel transplant and not on the 'standard list' I didn't want to risk it as I didn't trust that it would change without notification or if it did notify me (I'm sure there would be legal reason that they would have to) that I would miss the email and be signing up to something I didn't want by missing it.

Perhaps that's paranoid and I would never had done this even 5 years ago, but knowing what I know now about institutional capture, the Imperial College feasibility study and the general attitude towards women and women's biology and reproductive health I'm trusting no one.

Least of all this Dr!

I've decided to opt out of the organ donor register over this, though a novel transplant and not on the 'standard list' I didn't want to risk it as
I didn't trust that it would change without notification

I opted out, similar reasoning. When I asked about this precise situation the organ donation NHS said its impossible right now. But neither was it ruled out in the future.
That's not good enough for my mind. To add I dont think any of my organs would be used due to my age and lifestyle.

"With a dream to mother a child that is biologically hers, she wanted to give birth to a child with her own frozen semen. She thus can biologically father a child which she then can raise as a mother. This will be medically possible with the help of a donor egg and a surrogate mother..."If everything goes well and the uterus transplant is done well, I can conceive my own baby through IVF. I want to be a mother of my own child or I will go for surrogacy to become a mother," she added."

in.style.yahoo.com/transwoman-doctor-gujarat-freezes-sperm-to-become-mother-to-biological-child-025948836.html

[quote OhHolyJesus]"With a dream to mother a child that is biologically hers, she wanted to give birth to a child with her own frozen semen. She thus can biologically father a child which she then can raise as a mother. This will be medically possible with the help of a donor egg and a surrogate mother..."If everything goes well and the uterus transplant is done well, I can conceive my own baby through IVF. I want to be a mother of my own child or I will go for surrogacy to become a mother," she added."

in.style.yahoo.com/transwoman-doctor-gujarat-freezes-sperm-to-become-mother-to-biological-child-025948836.html[/quote]
I wonder what sort of medical ethics process this would have to go through.

Surely the amount of immuno suppressant drugs that the transplant recipient would have to take would be incompatible with pregnancy bearing in mind that many women even give up caffeinated tea (as well as a million other foods and medication) for the health of their baby.

A friend of mine discovered she had cancer while pregnant and had to delay urgent treatment until she had the baby which may well have contributed to her death.

I fear this person is being misled as to the realities of their wish.

I fear this person is being misled as to the realities of their wish.

Me too, I would also be concerned for what might happen to a person who had such a wish when their dream didn't come true.

I also noted how Daraya is determined to become a 'mother' and has considered surrogacy and would move country to make it possible, and how there isn't currently any mental health assessment done for commissioning parents, as is my understanding, in the U.K. prior to implantation (if going through a fertility clinic).

It is also possible for surrogacy arrangements to be available for single people in the U.K. so it's feasible sperm could be 'self administered' by a woman using her own eggs for 'traditional surrogacy' and Daraya would have parental rights due to the genetic connection.

Perhaps the surgery Daraya hopes for could be performed during the pregnancy of the surrogate mother?

Authorities would only be involved as and when (if?) a parental order application was made.