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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dismantling gender theory - where to begin?

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requiredwriting · 16/02/2021 14:32

This article is interesting, but is it true/a fair representation?

weeklyworker.co.uk/worker/1330/a-world-without-gender/

It's basically saying that society has imposed compulsory heterosexuality in order to ensure reproduction and that;'s what we are all fighting against. If so, then it's bollocks, and we can all profitably spend our time dismantling the theoretical level and hoping that everything else crashes down around us.

I'd argue that human societies need homosexuals; extra pairs of hands who are related but not focussed on just their children. Like the theory about why grandmothers exist, improves the survival rate.

Secondly, Greece and Rome. Men who are homosexual and married. No heterosexual hard line there.

Thirdly, for large portions of human history, women were seen as holding all the fertility with men just accessories and no concept of fatherhood, until farming takes hold. Who's policing shagging then?

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MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 15:22

Didn’t Judith Butler pathetically recant (last year?) in an article claiming that she was only joking and didn’t expect anyone to take her seriously? (Sorry I haven’t got the reference.)

The “identities” aspect is surely just another facet of the phenomenon that allowed Joe Biden to tell a black man, “If you don’t vote for me then you ain’t Black!”?

If you wear trousers, cut your hair short and don’t get in that f@ckin kitchen and get me something to eat, you ain’t a woman.

requiredwriting · 16/02/2021 16:28

So this whole sodding disaster is based on a joke?

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MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 17:01

I think it was a Tweet - been searching but not found it yet. Hopefully someone else has bookmarked or screenshot.

AnyOldPrion · 16/02/2021 17:08

Anne Fausto-Stirling said that when she claimed there were five sexes it was tongue in cheek.

Did Butler say something similar?

MoleSmokes · 16/02/2021 17:38

Ah! I suspect I have got those two muddled up. Thanks AnyOldPrion

grey12 · 16/02/2021 18:01

Secondly, Greece and Rome. Men who are homosexual and married. No heterosexual hard line there.

Married to whom btw?

aliasundercover · 16/02/2021 18:36

society has imposed compulsory heterosexuality in order to ensure reproduction and that;'s what we are all fighting against

Is this true for animals as well?

BreatheAndFocus · 16/02/2021 21:43

I think it’s more complicated than ‘society has imposed compulsory heterosexuality’. For a start, most people are heterosexual so don’t need it imposed because they’re happy to go along with it.

Also, there are cultural views of homosexuality that mean that heterosexuality might be seen as ‘what’s right’. That’s particularly true with anything in relation to feminine/effeminacy. Gay men are seen as ‘effeminate’ and thus weak/not to be aspired to because they are ‘like women’ - ie weak, rubbish, inferior. Lesbians are seen as an affront to men/masculinity so are obviously ‘wrong’.

I don’t think either of those views have much to do with ‘compulsory heterosexuality’. They’re more to do with seeing women/feminineness as lesser.

Stripesnomore · 16/02/2021 22:07

The author says she doesn’t believe in compulsory heterosexuality or queer theory.

She’s just putting forward the standard left wing feminist analysis of why men attempt to subordinate women.

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