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76 year old woman accused of hate crime by police by stating biological fact?

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Nameitychangity · 13/02/2021 11:53

A 76year old woman has been accused of a hate crime by police after stating online that you die as the same sex that you were born.
If I'm not mistaken this is a biological fact, that DNA cannot be changed.
If this is a hate crime, what the actual hell is happening to the world? And what else constitutes a hate crime? Is free speech no longer a thing?
I believe the accusation was later dropped, but to have police involvement in the first place is utterly ridiculous. Sorry for Daily FAIL link!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9255227/SUE-REID-investigates-pensioner-publicly-shamed-drinks-giant.html

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Tibtom · 13/02/2021 12:03

I was told off for calling it Daily Fail and rightly so. They are one of the few MSM covering this properly.

HeadIsFucked · 13/02/2021 13:30

You really would think the police had better things to do, than to talk to people and accuse them of hate crimes for stating biological facts. Its odd, how there is no time to investigate a growing number of actual crimes...yet this shit takes centre stage.

Mind, I know a police officier and he is as angry about this stuff as the public are. Its definitely top down.

MissBarbary · 13/02/2021 13:36

@Tibtom

I was told off for calling it Daily Fail and rightly so. They are one of the few MSM covering this properly.

Every time an apologetic link to "The Fail" is posted you (general you) are playing into the hands of the intolerant left- "see , they're so embarrassed by the sort of people who agree with them they have to apologise for it"

Use The Mail when it reports fairly and accurately; call it out when it doesn't.

Impatiens · 13/02/2021 14:27

The Mail is excellent on this particular issue and I really respect that. They've also been very good on environmental issues for years, credit should be given when it's due.

Thelnebriati · 13/02/2021 14:38

But has her tweet been recorded as a hate incident?

SunsetBeetch · 13/02/2021 15:14

*Every time an apologetic link to "The Fail" is posted you (general you) are playing into the hands of the intolerant left- "see , they're so embarrassed by the sort of people who agree with them they have to apologise for it"

Use The Mail when it reports fairly and accurately; call it out when it doesn't.*

Hard agree.

MsFogi · 13/02/2021 17:42

The Mail and The Times are the only papers who consistently report on this issue so they should be applauded. As a result I now buy The Times every day and if I am ever in Waitrose I get The Mail with my Waitrose card.

NotJackieWeaver · 13/02/2021 17:45

“Counterweight” sounds interesting.

Rainbowaftertherain · 13/02/2021 17:47

"Transphobia" is a hate crime and guess this would fall under that :( (not saying I agree)!

NotJackieWeaver · 13/02/2021 17:48

counterweightsupport.com/example-letters/

Defaultname · 13/02/2021 17:57

@NotJackieWeaver

“Counterweight” sounds interesting.

Counterweight on one side; unbalanced on the other.

Redshoeblueshoe · 13/02/2021 17:58

One thing that the article didn't state was that Readings, the people who apologised for hosting Julie Himself have retracted their apology. Some businesses need to take a good look at who is running their Twitter accounts.
Margaret is fabulous.

NiceGerbil · 14/02/2021 03:30

My understand of hate crime is that

If a crime is committed eg GBH

then if there was an element to it that falls under hate crime legislation then that gets taken into account by the courts and the sentence may be increased.

The idea that people saying innocuous stuff on Twitter is a hate crime is ridiculous.

Meanwhile sex/ misogyny is not included so if a man beats you up because you're a woman then that is. Nothing extra iyswim.

chestnutSquash · 14/02/2021 06:03

As far as I am aware, and in my fairly recent experience, biological sex is recorded on the death certificate, even if the individual had surgery and hormone treatment. Unless that has changed in the last couple of years, the lady was correct. (IMO she is correct anyway. Humans can't change sex).

Sittinbythetree · 14/02/2021 07:09

That’s a cracking article. And Margaret is fab.

Redshoeblueshoe · 14/02/2021 11:47

I've just noticed that autocorrect has changed Julie Bindell to Himself, sorry

Thelnebriati · 14/02/2021 12:06

@Rainbowaftertherain

"Transphobia" is a hate crime and guess this would fall under that :( (not saying I agree)!

There's no legal definition of 'transphobia' and it 'isn't a crime.

For a hate crime to be recorded, there has to be a crime committed that has the added component of hate or discrimination.

However, the definition of 'hate incident' has been changed so it is no longer an incident that 'the average person would describe as motivated by hate'.
''...something is a hate incident if the victim or anyone else think it was motivated by hostility or prejudice ''
www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/what-are-hate-incidents-and-hate-crime/

So as a result of this change, anything can be recorded as a hate incident. There are no standards to meet, the report shows up on a DBS check, the report can be malicious and without foundation and there is no right of appeal.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a4071887-The-police-should-not-record-us-as-hateful-in-secret?msgid=101984185

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 15/02/2021 11:25

anything can be recorded as a hate incident. There are no standards to meet, the report shows up on a DBS check, the report can be malicious and without foundation and there is no right of appeal.

This would be funny if it wasn’t so appalling, and true.

Gcnq · 15/02/2021 12:43

@NiceGerbil

My understand of hate crime is that

If a crime is committed eg GBH

then if there was an element to it that falls under hate crime legislation then that gets taken into account by the courts and the sentence may be increased.

The idea that people saying innocuous stuff on Twitter is a hate crime is ridiculous.

Meanwhile sex/ misogyny is not included so if a man beats you up because you're a woman then that is. Nothing extra iyswim.

Yes you're right a "hate crime" needs to involve an actual crime in the first place such as arson or gbh. The "hate crime" part comes in only if it's directed at a minority on the basis of the victim being a minority.

An "offensive tweet" like saying something true in this case, can only be listed as a "hate incident" not a "hate crime".

I genuinely wonder if even the police understand the difference.

Gcnq · 15/02/2021 12:46

The idea of a "hate incident" is seriously problematic. Subjective, Stasi-esque, open to interpretation, informer-lead ... Recently introduced, very worrying.

Defaultname · 15/02/2021 13:21

@Gcnq

The idea of a "hate incident" is seriously problematic. Subjective, Stasi-esque, open to interpretation, informer-lead ... Recently introduced, very worrying.

I can picture certain people salivating over this and rubbing their hands with glee.

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