Double Standards re Female Oppression.

[FishinthePerculator]

Not for the first time, I’m struggling to understand the blue-haired, woke individual in my life. A few days ago, she was all over the Jackie Weaver stuff on social media, posting about sexism and misogyny and (rightly) raging about the way those men spoke to JW, leading to a discussion among her female friends and followers about times they had been spoken over, spoken to rudely, side-lined and disrespected by men.

Today, she’s posting about transphobia at machine-gun speed. One of her posts confidently states that no “Cis-person” can claim discrimination nor oppression. This has been cheered on by an amazingly high number of people.

I’m agog at the lack of self-awareness. Surely she can see the link between these two posts. JW was discriminated and oppressed (or at least they attempted it) because she is a woman. All the commentators giving their own experiences are evidencing that women are victims of oppression. Look at what is happening in Poland – women, biological women, are being oppressed. Women have been oppressed throughout history and it is still happening all over the world, in countries where girls are seen as burdens on their families, are denied education, are forced into FGM, being child-brides, raped as a weapon of war. Yet pointing out this kind of thing is seen as transphobic.

She’s married to someone I love dearly and he has absolutely drunk her kool-aid. I usually stay quiet, no matter how infuriated I am at her opinions. To deviate is to be a transphobe or a T* and means automatic blocking in all walks of life and I can’t lose the person I love. So I’m venting here for a sanity check.

@DaisiesandButtercups

There is an enlightening Twitter post shared by Gardenbird48 on the AIBU about midwives told to stop using terms such as breastfeeding at 10:58 this morning.

It explains how people can be pushed little by little to illogical or extreme views.

Kind of like the boiling frog thing.

We are the frogs and the pot of water is the 'just be kind' mantra.

Other ingredients were slowly added, like TWAW, acceptance without exception, Trans rights are human rights, then as the heat gets near boiling point and people have become so immersed in it, they feel they can't get out, the shouting becomes more aggressive. No debate! Your words are literal violence! Cancellation and threats and shouts of terf and transphobe await anyone who manages to get out of the pot or never got in in the first place. It's all so gradual though. Stealth. Trojan horses. Right under our noses.

I've come to the conclusion that they are actually just thick as shit.

@FishinthePerculator

Not for the first time, I’m struggling to understand the blue-haired, woke individual in my life. A few days ago, she was all over the Jackie Weaver stuff on social media, posting about sexism and misogyny and (rightly) raging about the way those men spoke to JW, leading to a discussion among her female friends and followers about times they had been spoken over, spoken to rudely, side-lined and disrespected by men.

Today, she’s posting about transphobia at machine-gun speed. One of her posts confidently states that no “Cis-person” can claim discrimination nor oppression. This has been cheered on by an amazingly high number of people.

I’m agog at the lack of self-awareness. Surely she can see the link between these two posts. JW was discriminated and oppressed (or at least they attempted it) because she is a woman. All the commentators giving their own experiences are evidencing that women are victims of oppression. Look at what is happening in Poland – women, biological women, are being oppressed. Women have been oppressed throughout history and it is still happening all over the world, in countries where girls are seen as burdens on their families, are denied education, are forced into FGM, being child-brides, raped as a weapon of war. Yet pointing out this kind of thing is seen as transphobic.

She’s married to someone I love dearly and he has absolutely drunk her kool-aid. I usually stay quiet, no matter how infuriated I am at her opinions. To deviate is to be a transphobe or a T* and means automatic blocking in all walks of life and I can’t lose the person I love. So I’m venting here for a sanity check.

I think your friend's point ( do you call friends blue-haired, woke individual ) is that cis people are not attacked / discriminated against in society for being cis. Misogeny and sexism are not because someone is cisgendered, they are because someone is a woman. Transmisogeny exists as well and well ... transphobia is evident in a number of places these days... I suspect the problem is the word 'cis'. Supporting the use of 'cis' as a classification does not make someone immune from misogeny or sexism.

DisgustedofManchester, use of “cis” is not permitted as it is an offensive term, one of many not permitted here.

Disgusted, she didn't say 'c*s people don't experience transphobia'- I mean, that would be self evident.

She said 'c*s people do not experience oppression' which is ridiculous and indeed she doesn't believe it herself.
Women clearly do experience genuine, serious, inarguable oppression. Real actual oppression and violence, as opposed to 'literal violence' which is anything but.

I think your friend's point ( do you call friends blue-haired, woke individual ) is that cis people are not attacked / discriminated against in society for being cis.

That's not what she said. ""no cis person is a victim of discrimination or oppression. FACT" is not the same thing, remotely as 'no person is a victim of discrimination or oppression because they are Cis"

And in any case, as it turns out, neither is true. Women and girls, those who some choose to misidentify as 'Cis', are nowadays routinely being discriminated against when their rights as women conflict with what some trans people want.

It's all rubbish. You can't identify in or out of oppression or discrimination.

Women suffer oppression and discrimination because they are perceived to be female, regardless of their gender identity.

People who are gender non conforming suffer discrimination regardless of whether they identify as cis/trans/non-binary or think gender is a load of nonsense.

The idea that anyone checks your identity before deciding to oppress, rather misunderstands the concept of oppression.

However, maybe if somebody actively identifies as cis they are more likely to be privileged?

Is she a teen daughter?

Could try introducing her to the madness of the episteem? it might plant a seed that perhaps, just perhaps she has been fed this shit, and it isn't just about being kind and oppression of trans people, that queer theory is an actual movement with an agenda that she is sleepwalking into.

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Anyway, the post was something like "It makes me so mad when cis people claim to be oppressed. They don't know the first thing about what our trans and non-binary brothers and sisters go through" Then, a few posts down from that "no cis person is a victim of discrimination or oppression. FACT".'

Thanks for the context.
Initially I thought she was talking about how 'cis' people (how can you even tell who identifies as what if you can't see it) did not experience transpobia.
But on re-reading I think she's just warmed to get theme and got carried away.

The coddled thing is interesting.
There needs to be a balance between 'the school of hard knocks' and living in a protective bubble.

I'm not sure about all that anyway. Loads of grown ups are regurgitating this stuff. Slagging off young people is a cop out I think. Young people still are a massive range of backgrounds, experiences, all sorts of stuff. I think it's easy to sneer but young people/ teens were always peer led and quick to take offence!

What I do think is that the explosion of social media has exposed that an awful lot of people don't necessarily thing things through and also there's easy access to persuade people/ manipulate them.

People haven't changed but what and who is influencing them has and that's what we're seeing.

I was reading on the BBC earlier about a woman in South Africa who was a football star. She was an out lesbian.

She was brutally raped and murdered because of that.

That's oppression right there. I mean it's all the time all over the place.

I find it upsetting when people say oh women it's all sorted etc. It's never been sorted for us and we're always at the back of the queue.

@prisencolinensinainciusol2

Is she just stupid?

I thought that was the reason for the blue hair - a thoughtful consideration on their part so that the rest of us can avoid them.