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Woke Marketing

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Mermoose · 09/02/2021 11:43

A lot of this is probably stuff everyone knows anyway, but anyhow...

I was looking at digital marketing recently and realised that it's common for companies to have their social media accounts run, not by junior staff, but by external marketing companies.

One well-established digital marketing company is Maven Marketing. From their front page (if you scroll down), it says:

Committed to Diversity and Inclusion.

Maven Marketing & Co. is at the forefront of creating energized and ground-breaking experiences that connect brands to their audience. We are a female and minority owned business dedicated to bringing diversity, inclusion and authenticity to all brand experiences.

...Our goal is to create brand experiences that inspire passion and generate excitement, communicate effectively, and engage the customer in a meaningful and visceral way.

Our work calls for the continual investigation of change - changes in attitudes, lifestyles and aspirations within the global community...

Of course, diversity and inclusion are good things, but how we interpret what that means is important. The founder of Maven, Nichole Creary, has her pronouns on all her social media profiles, so her idea of inclusion involves believing in something - that whether we are male or female is a feeling rather than an objective biological fact - that I believe is noninclusive and harmful to women's rights.

Sprout Social runs many Twitter accounts and from their website a client is quoted as saying Sprout allows us to analyze and track trends on social media to make sure our content is resonating. Elsewhere on the site these analytics are discussed:
Understand your customers’ needs on a deeper level by tapping into the world’s largest and most transparent focus group: social media.

I think there may be a vicious circle happening. If marketing companies are looking at Twitter to study changes in attitudes and lifestyles, they're looking at a very skewed sample.
(Yascha Mounk has talked about how unrepresentative Twitter is here: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/political-leaders-should-stop-caring-about-twitter/588004/)

If they're using that skewed sample to "engage the customer in a meaningful and visceral way", they're amplifying that skewed idea of attitudes. That helps create an idea of certain attitudes being much more widely accepted than they really are, which, humans being what we are, causes a lot of us to adopt those same attitudes without really examining them, or it makes us afraid to challenge those attitudes if we think they're mistaken.

Anyway, I think this is possibly what's happening sometimes when, for example, soap or drink companies suddenly start scolding us about pronoun usage or whatever. This is a very long post, sorry.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/02/2021 12:06

If they're using that skewed sample to "engage the customer in a meaningful and visceral way", they're amplifying that skewed idea of attitudes. That helps create an idea of certain attitudes being much more widely accepted than they really are, which, humans being what we are, causes a lot of us to adopt those same attitudes without really examining them, or it makes us afraid to challenge those attitudes if we think they're mistaken.

Anyway, I think this is possibly what's happening sometimes when, for example, soap or drink companies suddenly start scolding us about pronoun usage or whatever.

I agree, but marketers mainly care about "engagement" ie likes and retweets and follows and that's easy to get statistics for. I completely agree it's a symptom of a much wider problem.

notyourhandmaid · 09/02/2021 12:30

Thank you for this! Makes a lot of sense.

Zinco · 10/02/2021 07:36

Stewart Lee -- Values of the Car Phone Warehouse

Basically I think there is little risk for companies going "woke". They may irritate some customers, but they are still on the side of political orthodoxy and moral posturing.

I think Gillette may have taken a hit with their toxic masculinity advert, so it can sometimes go wrong.

Zinco · 10/02/2021 07:39

Levi's Wokes -- SNL

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/02/2021 07:41

Gillette took a hit because men aren’t interested in self analysis and guilt tripping. If they’d marketed similarly to women we’d have all agreed with them and taken to the street whipping our backs.

FamilyOfAliens · 10/02/2021 07:45

[quote Zinco]Levi's Wokes -- SNL

[/quote] Brilliant! Grin
HeyMicky · 10/02/2021 07:55

I don't think this is an issue for, specifically, outsourcing social management. I work client side and while we may partner with agencies for best practice and resourcing, our strategy, brand planning and all content approvals are internal.

From a business (not personal) perspective, I want our agency to deliver on my brief. Their internal culture and policies won't impact my corporate message.

If a brand decides to take a public stance on an issue, be it race, sex, religion etc, it's because they have made a corporate decision. For a big company, the attitude of an agency in their pay is unlikely to influence their direction.

More broadly, no sensible brand would reply solely on social chatter to determine their direction. Most people recognise that social is an echo chamber - if a brand did take a view on pronouns, for example, it would be lauded by the usual suspects and it will be a turn off to those who are not in agreement.

PinkyParrot · 10/02/2021 07:58

Don't buy stuff if their advertising irritates you.
It's the only way. If they beat you round the head with wokeism or anything else do not spend your money - it's the only power you have.

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/02/2021 07:59

That spoof video is very good 😎

justanotherneighinparadise · 10/02/2021 08:01

@PinkyParrot

Don't buy stuff if their advertising irritates you. It's the only way. If they beat you round the head with wokeism or anything else do not spend your money - it's the only power you have.
The issue with that is if you’re not on Twitter or similar you won’t know if their advertising annoys you, as you don’t see it! So they’ll be lots of older women happily buying Innocent smoothies with NO idea that that company hates them and their pesky thoughts on biological sex.
PinkyParrot · 10/02/2021 13:00

But like me they might be on MN and know to avoid them Grin

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