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SNP doesn't have an Equalities Policy!

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stumbledin · 07/02/2021 00:06

The bitter infighting in the SNP took another extraordinary turn last night after its newly-elected equalities convenor wrote to members saying she was “astounded” to find the party did not have an equalities policy.

In an email to branch officials Lynne Anderson said without the policy the party had no “strategic framework in place on which to pin all the mechanisms which may be required to bring about fairness and equality in our work toward Independence”.

The letter is the latest shot in the war raging between the party leadership and supporters of Joanna Cherry, who was sacked from SNP’s Westminster front bench team on Monday.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lack-of-equalities-policy-shocks-snps-new-convener-lynne-anderson-d5jf2wbvq

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NiceGerbil · 07/02/2021 05:22

Huh?

In England and Wales pretty much all orgs have one.

Ok I don't know about political parties which are a bit different but I thought this was just a thing everyone had :/

AnyOldPrion · 07/02/2021 07:11

I don’t know whether to say I’m surprised (as it’s so shocking) or that I’m not (on the grounds that those running this office previously are obviously incompetent as well as deeply ideologically invested).

Surely the most amazing thing is that Stonewall haven’t created it for them? Maybe they thought the SNP were so much in their thrall that any further influence was unnecessary?

highame · 07/02/2021 09:36

Equalities is probably the biggest growth industry and unaffected by Covid-19. Jobs for the boys - or more likely, jobs for the girls so that the boys can get on with the real business Hmm

Tibtom · 07/02/2021 09:48

Interesting foi release :The Scottish Government definition of gender: FOI release
www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202000116319/

334bu · 07/02/2021 09:54

But always the same boys and girls given the many overlaps in government funded " equality" organisations!

Tibtom · 07/02/2021 09:55

The only definition of gender they offer is WHOs: a social construction relating to behaviours and attributes based on labels of masculinity and femininity;
And yet they use it in laws, census plans etc.

Babdoc · 07/02/2021 10:09

Now now, OP, the SNP are far too busy setting up their independence task force and planning the next (illegal) referendum to bother about trivial things like women’s rights and equality! Grin
Seriously, you cannot expect coherent policy or competent government from a bunch of separatists who are engaged in an internal power struggle and facing prosecution in the wake of the Salmond debacle. They didn’t even manage to procure two ferries or get the vaccine rolled out in a timely manner. The calculator shows they’re currently 2 months behind England for my age group.

Tibtom · 07/02/2021 10:14

Babdoc you forget the flagship children's hospital they realised was useless the day before they were due to move in due to dangerous ventilation.

Thelnebriati · 07/02/2021 11:48

Do they have a safeguarding policy? I cant see one online, and a search of their policies hasnt turned one up.
www.snp.org/policies/

Babdoc · 07/02/2021 12:55

Tibtom, indeed, but if I catalogued all their failures I’d be typing all day and derailing the thread!
We could add the Bifab debacle, the failure to contact trace the Nike covid outbreak, the Named Person fiasco, the current Hate Crimes bill, the bad design of the Queensferry crossing leading to falling ice and regular closures, the plummet down the international league tables of Scottish education, the delays in passing on UK bailout money to businesses, the fact that we have proportionately the lowest number of new business start ups in the whole UK...

MichelleofzeResistance · 07/02/2021 13:11

More evidence that they think 'equalities' is one group only.

Thelnebriati · 07/02/2021 13:16

And optional.

MissBarbary · 07/02/2021 13:49

@Babdoc

Tibtom, indeed, but if I catalogued all their failures I’d be typing all day and derailing the thread! We could add the Bifab debacle, the failure to contact trace the Nike covid outbreak, the Named Person fiasco, the current Hate Crimes bill, the bad design of the Queensferry crossing leading to falling ice and regular closures, the plummet down the international league tables of Scottish education, the delays in passing on UK bailout money to businesses, the fact that we have proportionately the lowest number of new business start ups in the whole UK...
You missed out missing their own vaccination target by 400,000 in January ; falling well behind England on vaccinations; refusing the offer of assistance from the British Army and then having to backtrack and take up the offer.
Babdoc · 07/02/2021 14:58

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stumbledin · 07/02/2021 16:22

Well if the SNP can get into power with any sort of written policies whether equalities or safeguarding or whatever, just goes to show how partisan the press is.

If the media wanted to slur a party this is just the sort of thing they would dig up.

In the end our world is orchestrated by a media serving the purposes of their owners.

And the idea that we are about to be subjected to 2 different Fox style tv services (one created by Murdoch) we will only get a voice if some part of the patriarchy thinks it suits their agenda.

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Shedbuilder · 07/02/2021 16:35

Does it really matter? I mean, the Welsh government had a policy that every proposal needed to be referred for discussion with all other groups that would be affected by change. They came up with something called something like a Transgender Development Plan that was well on its way to implementation when someone on these boards submitted an FOI asking to see the consultation with women's organisations. Apparently everything relating to the consultation with women's orgs had been lost. No record of anything — meetings, email, discussion — in either Welsh or English. Clearly they didn't bother with a consultation. The Welsh government describes itself as a feminist government!

Don't imagine that the SNP would stick to an equalities policy even if they had one. No one else has. Labour, Greens, Lib Dems — all so committed to equalities that they are erasing women.

stumbledin · 07/02/2021 18:25

I think the reason to be more concerned about political parties is that they do so much finger pointing, not just within their own parties and to opposition parties, but as a well used weapon against campaigns etc., they want to under mine.

And this sort of sloppy (I am being charitable here) adherence to accepted practice is often used as a tactic by local and national government to cuts somebody's funding. It just makes it all a game of course. Further erosion of trust.

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 08/02/2021 00:09

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Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 08/02/2021 00:11

Can we just have it taken as read that Babdoc and Miss Barbary hate the SNP so the rest of us can try and discuss the FWR aspects of the issue?

MissBarbary · 08/02/2021 00:27

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Can we just have it taken as read that Babdoc and Miss Barbary hate the SNP so the rest of us can try and discuss the FWR aspects of the issue?
No - you don't get to dictate who posts. In any case the SNP's incompetent running of this country goes far beyond the issue of trans rights, which single issue, apparently seems to triggered some separatists into applying critical thinking.

If they roll back on that do you think everything will be hunky dory?

What are women's rights going to look like in separate economy with no central bank, no currency and outwith the UK and the EU?

And on the EU- I don't know if you are a Remainer, but if you are do you think the "gender critical" approach favoured on here is going to be the line that a separate Scotland would follow?

All of their policies are relevant to women's live-- the lack of anything remotely resembling a coherent economic policy is a far bigger threat than their trans policies.

Abhannmor · 08/02/2021 19:36

@Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails

Can we just have it taken as read that Babdoc and Miss Barbary hate the SNP so the rest of us can try and discuss the FWR aspects of the issue?
Quite. A separate Unionist thread. Forgive the paradox.
Babdoc · 09/02/2021 08:55

Typical that pro SNP posters try to dismiss MissBarbary’s, and my, genuine criticisms of SNP policy as “hate”.
Exactly like TRAs dismissing women’s genuine concerns about the loss of single sex spaces as “hate” of transgender people.

Whatdoyoudowhendemocracyfails · 09/02/2021 14:46

Well done, the pair of you have killed another thread.

I can’t be arsed searching but I’m sure one or the other of you wrote recently that you “despised” the SNP. Is that not another word for hate?

MissBarbary · 09/02/2021 15:32

No one killed the thread. If anyone was interested they can post on it.

The SNP is hellbent on destroying the UK, whatever the cost. Their monomania affects women's lives because it affects all lives- although apparently it's solely because of their current policies on trans rights that some posters are now criticising them.

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