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They're gunning for Kemi now.

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Imnobody4 · 05/02/2021 20:07

www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/uk-equalities-minister-antitrans-group/
Outrageous article condemning Kemi Badenoch for meeting with the LGB Alliance.

UK Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch met with a controversial “transphobic” group that campaigns against gender being discussed in schools, government disclosures reveal.

The under-fire Conservative politician, who is also Exchequer Secretary to the Treasury, met on 13 July 2020 with the LGB Alliance. It is unclear what they discussed that day, at what is only described as an “introductory meeting”.

Last year, the head of the UK’s communications regulator Ofcom said it is “entirely inappropriate” to quote the LGB Alliance on trans issues, and akin to quoting racist organisations on issues related to racial equality.

Open democracy - oh the irony.

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Xanthangum · 05/02/2021 20:13

They are also trying to get her on a BLM issue that is not straightforward

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/05/equalities-minister-kemi-badenoch-must-apologise-or-be-sacked-says-peer

persistentwoman · 05/02/2021 20:20

Another woman MP for the wee misogynists to target. They never stop do they?

OvaHere · 05/02/2021 20:49

It was rumoured a couple of weeks back that there might be a bit of a reshuffle with Liz Truss being promoted to a senior cabinet position. If that should turn out to be the case then Kemi is an obvious successor for the W&E brief. So this might be part of a pre emptive takedown.

I received a sensible and balanced letter from Kemi a while ago via my MP whom I wrote to about various issues stemming from proposed GRA reform.

MissBarbary · 05/02/2021 20:57

The Labour MP Dawn Butler wrotein a tweetto Badenoch that the minister’s actions had left White “subjected to vile abuse”. Butler said: “You have set some nasty people on to a young journalist who is currently grieving a family member. MPs need to be understanding of the impact they have.”

Nice one Dawn, blaming a woman for the actions of others.

Given the calibre of thevpeople calling for her scalp , Butler, Afua Hirsch, John Nicholson over this and the Huffington Post I expect Ms Badenoch won't lose much sleep.

OvaHere · 05/02/2021 21:22

Generally speaking Twitter is not the best medium for politicians to issue rebuttals but I read the Twitter thread in question and it doesn't appear to be an attack of any sort. More a frustration at her role being misconstrued and the reasons she didn't appear in a video blown out of proportion.

I do think she, or someone on her behalf, should have responded to the journalists questions rather than taking to twitter as the first action. It wasn't unreasonable of a journalist to put questions in writing to a minister - it's their job. Perhaps though Kemi had reason to think the Huffpost wouldn't report her response in the way she intended?

OldCrone · 05/02/2021 21:36

Last year, the head of the UK’s communications regulator Ofcom said it is “entirely inappropriate” to quote the LGB Alliance on trans issues, and akin to quoting racist organisations on issues related to racial equality.

I clicked on the link in that piece to see what Ofcom had said, and it takes you to an article in The Scotsman.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/entirely-inappropriate-quote-lgb-alliance-trans-issues-says-ofcom-chief-3069446

Dame Melanie Dawes said the watchdog had been working to help broadcasters inform their viewers of current affairs “in an appropriate way”.

Asked what the BBC can do to address this, Dame Dawes replied: “I think that is a very good point, and actually a very good example of something that we’ve been talking to Stonewall about actually - about how can the broadcasters, when they do feel they need to bring balance into a debate, do it in an appropriate way, rather than in the way you just described, which would be extremely inappropriate.

So according to Ofcom, it's inappropriate for the BBC to talk to the LGB Alliance, but it's appropriate for Ofcom itself to take advice on balanced debate from Stonewall.

OvaHere · 05/02/2021 21:41

That would be because Ofcom are a Stonewall Diversity Champion and pay a yearly fee to them.

thecritic.co.uk/why-does-ofcom-pander-to-the-lunatic-fringes-of-transgender-activism/

Triphazards · 05/02/2021 21:53

[quote OvaHere]That would be because Ofcom are a Stonewall Diversity Champion and pay a yearly fee to them.

thecritic.co.uk/why-does-ofcom-pander-to-the-lunatic-fringes-of-transgender-activism/[/quote]
They could save some money there.

OldCrone · 05/02/2021 22:04

[quote OvaHere]That would be because Ofcom are a Stonewall Diversity Champion and pay a yearly fee to them.

thecritic.co.uk/why-does-ofcom-pander-to-the-lunatic-fringes-of-transgender-activism/[/quote]
There's currently a campaign running to send FOIs to all the public bodies which are Stonewall Diversity Champions about their dealings with Stonewall.

legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/02/04/shining-a-light-on-stonewalls-activities/

Ofcom have been asked about this.
www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/ofcom

stumbledin · 06/02/2021 00:05

I am not surprised at this article.

This is part of the strategy of constantly trying to slur perfectly legitimate groups, because their very existence challenges the trans narrative.

But it does become overwhelming that day after day articles like this get published (another example if the one claiming there is no such thing as sex based rights in the UK www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4157594-Sex-based-rights-in-the-UK and there is never an equal number of articles countering the trans narrative.

Wouldn't it be great (but of course highly unlikely) if were possible under the new hate speech proposals that artilces like this would be banned because they are after all hate speech. Hate speech by fanatics who are constantly trying to other and intimidate those who dont believe their view of the world.

stumbledin · 06/02/2021 00:18

What may or may not be part of what the Tories are doing is this idea they have that ideologues have captured campaigns and charities.

So there was Liz Truss giving a speech about this in relation to equality issues.

And the outgoing chair of the Charity Commission (former Tory) talked about not letting charities be captured by the woke agenda.

She and Liz Truss have been accused of stoking the culture war.

Sorry if this seems a bit off topic, but assuming in a charitable way that the Tories are trying to get a balance against what they percieve are unrepresentative voices why wouldn't they talk to the LGB Alliance.

All those who seem themselves as the voice of which ever group they represent on one level (irrespective of the politics) are going to have to accept that in becoming part of the charity establishment they are the old guard and will be challenged from all sides.

The problem is they are so embedded in so many parts of the establishment, and so many members of the establishment have bet the credibility on those links it is going to be very hard to break the stranglehold.

MissBarbary · 06/02/2021 00:34

Badenoch's tweets about the Huffington Post journalist seem fair to me. The second email from the journalist demanding a reply is arrogant. I don't see any reason why Ms Badenoch should not defend herself against allegations that she boycotted the vaccination video.

mobile.twitter.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1355129620467740672

As, I said before I hope Ms Badenoch takes assurance from the fact that if Dawn Butler and John Nicholson say she is wrong she definitely isn't.

Xanthangum · 06/02/2021 09:27

As grim as the appointment of ex-Daily Mail editor Paul Dacre to the Ofcom chair job would be (bylinetimes.com/2021/02/04/10-reasons-why-paul-dacre-is-unfit-to-be-the-new-ofcom-chair/), it will make for a fascinating meeting when their Stonewall membership comes up for renewal...

andyoldlabour · 06/02/2021 13:48

The tweets on this are very supportive of Kemi.

twitter.com/nandi_naira/status/1357686350359769093

highame · 06/02/2021 14:31

I just can't imagine Ms Badenoch's feathers being in any way ruffled. She is one of the coolest, most dynamic politicians of her age.

I think the Conservatives are trying to correct a massive imbalance and Paul Dacre is one of those people. The middle class, wokerati are really miffed about these changes but I must admit we've had it our own way for far too long and I have noticed the 'spoilt brat' response from many. I'd really like to see a shake of equalities, which has now become the growth business - (wish we could have bought shares)- jobs for the middle class boys

C8H10N4O2 · 06/02/2021 14:35

The second email from the journalist demanding a reply is arrogant

Both requests look like standard press requests and the department would have been better to ignore or issue "no one is available for comment" than publish the emails. Its the usual expectation that a black woman in government has to be the representative of all black women which is particularly offensive.

The momentum left hate her because she has committed the crime of being in two groups who they regard as theirs by right. Women and minorities on the right have always come in for particular attack from that section of the left.

I have next to nothing in common with Badenoch politically but the left are no better than the right in terms of picking off black women in this way.

donquixotedelamancha · 06/02/2021 22:23

The second email from the journalist demanding a reply is arrogant.

I've never seen an email from a journalist demanding comment by a certain time in that way. It's always about when their deadline is and don't you want to get your side of the story in.

The first email was rude too, as is continuing to insist the story was true when the one person who'd know has said it isn't and there is no basis for it.

The assertion that why the minister didn't appear in a promotional video is 'an important matter' is laughable, as is the assertion she should resign for being a bit thoughtless in her dealings with a rude journo.

Needmoresleep · 06/02/2021 22:35

What do Kemi and Priti have in common.

Senior BAME female politicians who have been subject to savage attacks.

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