Lesbian and Gay News launches in February 2021

[stumbledin]

This sounds promising - acknowledging the reality of same sex attraction.

" ... Lesbian and Gay News is an alternative source of news and opinion. Lesbian and Gay News picks up from an historic tradition of British lesbian and gay publications such as Gay News, which ran from 1972-1983, and The Pink Paper, which ran for 25 years from 1987. ... "

But then it goes on to say:

" ... We’re lining up an impressive range of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender writers and journalists plus we’ll be introducing you to The Lesbian and Gay Conversation, a special area for our readers to debate, discuss and meet each other in a safe and secure online space. ... "

So seems that even though you start a paper that affirms that same sex attraction is real, it cant happen without trans being included to have their say.

lesbianandgaynews.com

(I saw on a facebook page that it has been set up by someone hounded out of Boyz????)

From that introduction page, if you read down a bit, it actually looks quite promising:

"Inflamed by the paraffin of social media, it's become a brutal world for people who don't subscribe uncritically to LGBTQIA+ groupthink or who are gender critical. Too many lesbians, bisexuals and gay men are now fearful of expressing their opinions. Too many more are constrained in both their personal and professional lives even from exploring some of the issues our communities are wrestling with. That's hardly surprising when decent longtime allies are shamelessly traduced in the public space, rather than engaged. And no one's mind will be changed by debate if debate is forbidden in the first place."

I wish them luck. There are plenty of transgender people who do not subscribe to TWAW.

They are humans and deserve an input just as much as any other gay or lesbian person.

Meaning that sexuality-SEXuality is something you can identify into irrespective of your your sex and the sex you are attracted to.

Yes that sounds AOK.

Thanks - should have read further down instead of immediately reacting.

However, can someone tell how a trans person can be truely gay or lesbian.

Wouldn't that mean a trans woman in a secual relationship with a man (ie 2 people of the same biological sex being sexually attracted to each other) except that in trans world that whould make them a heterosexual couple

Similarly a trans man, who is biologically female would be sexually attracted to another woman to be lesbian, but in trans world again would appear heterosexual.

However, can someone tell how a trans person can be truly gay or lesbian.

A butch lesbian with dysphoria, who decides she needs to transition to feel more at ease mentally, might still be anchored in the real world, accepting of biology, and will remain a lesbian after transition.

A gay man who transitions because he feels more comfortable living full time in a female persona can still recognise that he is biologically male, and attracted to people of the same sex.

So it is perfectly possible for transsexuals to also be homosexual. All it requires is a recognition of the difference between sex and gender. This was the norm until a few years ago, and didn't cause any problems.

All the recent distress has been caused by heterosexual people who reject their biological sex, and then expect homosexuals (of the opposite sex) to conflate sex with gender in the same way they do, and find them attractive based on their gender identity.

The fact that this is an impossible, homophobic and incredibly crass and entitled demand does not register. A refusal to validate them by accepting their demands is felt as a narcissistic injury, a deep wound that feels like an attack on their very existence. Hence the extreme reactions, and the cotton terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/ and boxer ceilings.

My point was is that if the person who transition continues with their same sex attraction you and I might say well they are still lesbian or gay.

But in the world of trans reality, which accepts you can change sex then by continuing to be attracted to someone who is of your biological sex but you are now in trans speak the opposite sex, you are now heterosexual.

So it is impossible for there to be a trans lesbian or a trans gay man.

Because in biological reality the trans lesbian couple are in fact gay men, and the trans gay couple are in fact lesbian.

So not hopeful about a trans input into a Lesbian and Gay magazine, unless they are just doing reporting information and ideas from the Lesbian and Gay community.

Increasingly I find it impossible to say what I need to say because of all the bloody euphemisms we're obliged to adopt, or phrases that I utterly reject as misleading.

I can speak honestly and respectfully of "a man who believes he's been incarnated" without being obliged to start a sentence with "this reincarnated man is..."

I can speak honestly and respectfully of "this woman who believes she can practise magic..." without being obliged to say "this magical woman ..."

Both cases may not like that I deny they are actually a reincarnated man or a magical woman. Both would probably prefer that I don't refute or challenge their claims. But I do, and that's as it should be. Society accepts that I'm going to refer to these people truthfully in accordance with my conscience and that this is something every person must be free to do.

But there is a completely unique and strictly enforced taboo around how I am obliged to refer to any man or woman who considers themself 'transgender'.

I feel as dishonest being forced to use the phrase "transgender people" as I would "reincarnated people" or "magical people". And these are not rare beliefs. Heck, there's a thread in AIBU right now where more than half the posters are offering the OP advice on burning sage correctly to dissipate evil energy from a pine wardrobe she bought off eBay.

People believe lots of mystical stuff.

But where I can make it clear I don't think magical people exist, and am allowed my freedom to refer properly to any such person as "a woman who believes..." I CAN'T describe a man who believes he is a woman as exactly that. Not without getting censored or banned.

I can say "there are no magical people because being magical isn't real"
but I can't say "there are no transgender people because being transgender isn't real" without holding my breath and waiting to see if I'm to be deleted or banned.

This is my position though. It's no more borne out of hatred than my statement that magical people don't exist.

And when I am able to actually speak clearly without contorting my words the fog clears and everything becomes crystal clear.

I'm with you, stumbledin. I'm really happy there's to be a lesbian and gay magazine/newspaper. But I'm longing for the day when people can write about the issues that affect them without having to reference, as if it were true, an ideology that reverses and undermines the very meaning of what they are trying to say.

I'm longing for the day when people can write about the issues that affect them without having to reference, as if it were true, an ideology that reverses and undermines the very meaning of what they are trying to say.

Exactly!

A gay man who transitions because he feels more comfortable living full time in a female persona can still recognise that he is biologically male, and attracted to people of the same sex.

So it is perfectly possible for transsexuals to also be homosexual. All it requires is a recognition of the difference between sex and gender. This was the norm until a few years ago, and didn't cause any problems.

I believe Miranda Yardley and his partner Helen (NB Miranda uses he/his pronouns) used to describe themselves as transexuals in a gay male relationship. (Helen used to blog as "A boy called Helen" - it was a very insightful blog as I recall. Both of them come across as really interesting and compassionate people.)

Sounds like a much needed outlet

I remember reading Gay News and Gay Times back in the day, excellent radical journalism, hope this brings back that tradition. Pink News is just embarrassing tabloid nonsense.

Heck, there's a thread in AIBU right now where more than half the posters are offering the OP advice on burning sage correctly to dissipate evil energy from a pine wardrobe she bought off eBay.

I think I'm going to need more on this

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4158661-I-bought-a-pre-owned-wardrobe-now-the-place-has-bad-energy

Enjoy.

Thanks. I think my favourite comment there is 'this is why I don't buy second hand'. But I digress...

Thanks for sharing this OP. I think the following is spot on and entirely reasonable.

I'll definitely be supporting them.

A conformist and rigidly policed LGBTQIA+ mindset is seen by increasing numbers of lesbian women and gay men as confusing to the reality of their biological same sex attraction. Lesbian and Gay News will accept that a lesbian woman’s viewpoint may not be exactly the same as LGBTQIA+ groupthink and that a gay man may not have exactly the same perspective as a transman, or non-binary man, or a man who defines himself as queer.