An excellent article in Sunday Times re SNP trans row

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www.thetimes.co.uk/article/17027a3c-633a-11eb-a89f-ac2e7b8b7ae3?shareToken=7f3f1c8765c6e1160b5cdcdd99bb97ff

One of the clearest articles I’ve read - no punches pulled and absolute clarity on the issue facing the SNP.

There is another article on this exact subject today (unusual?) but I haven’t read that yet. Will check it out now.

Yes, @Abitofalark, I did think that it might have been better for her to refer to 'pupils who say that they are "trans"'.

Jo March

I think the Holyrood article misses some of the bigger picture. Labour for example in their 2019 election manifesto went to great effort to map out an extensively funded plan for trans healthcare.

As Lachlan Stewart, who was involved in writing this, pointed out in his later essay the transactivists weren't the slightest bit interested in this, their only interest was in the removal of women's rights.

So the SNP, as Labour did, could have addressed those things and still been in a no better position because this isn't and has never been about better care for people who identify as trans.

No matter what any political party does with regards to the medical care and treatment of trans people the activists will remain angry and disappointed until women are decimated legally, politically and culturally.

Also noticed the comment about in the past 5 years trans people have faced a significant increase in online abuse (have they? Where's the evidence this is based on and where is the abuse coming from? Are we certain it isn't things like women stating biology is a real thing and important for the meeting of women's rights?) without any balance that female people have faced a significant increase in online abuse from activists in the name of the trans agenda, which has included very frequent death and rape threats, doxxing and links between stated intent online followed up by active violence (fuck up some t*s for example.) I know where the evidence for that is - a two second google search turns out oceans of it, everywhere, daily, completely unacknowledged or challenged.

I'd like to know if this is something trans people are also encountering, and if so why isn't it all over the papers? Otherwise it looks like virtue signalling/sympathy bias without being true to the facts.

@OvaHere I'd be interested in reading what Lachlan S had to say on this - you wouldn't have a link to it would you? Many thanks

[quote Tootsweets23]@OvaHere I'd be interested in reading what Lachlan S had to say on this - you wouldn't have a link to it would you? Many thanks [/quote]
No prob. Here it is

medium.com/@lachlanstuart/the-confessions-of-a-transphobe-b4942c06e6e4

Thank you!

It's quite long. The relevant bit I mentioned is at the very end of the essay.

Thanks for that OvaHere, interesting reading.

That is an interesting read by Lachlan Stuart OvaHere. There does seem to be a habit (three examples I can think of Peto, Brown, Challenors) of pushing through undemocratic/ harmful or self interested policies by these people.

Cambridge City had to reverse their policy partly because it was pushed through with no impact assessment on service users. Mighty Male Entitlement in all its glory!

@MichelleofzeResistance If everything is transphobic, then everything is abuse. It's all about the framing.

Love the idea of promoting gynephobia as a term.

Certainly there is reams of evidence, (and reams, and reams) that gynephobia involves actual violence, threatened rape, threatened murder, as opposed to the literal kind. Kind of thing absolutely not tolerated in other forms of phobia.

If that's the bandwagon female people have to get on in these bizarre times then so be it.

"From time to time Nicola Sturgeon notes she has answered more questions from journalists these past 12 months than any other UK politician. This is true, though not every question has been asked. Among these: “Can someone with a penis and testicles be a woman? And if so, in precisely what sense?

...trans women are women, but they aren’t women in quite the same way your mother is a woman."

I'm sure he means well, but isn't this precisely how women ended up being referred to as cervix-havers, uterus-havers and people who bleed?

"Words must have meanings, for without meaning there is no truth. And without truth, anything goes."

Indeed, Alex.

The latest twist in the SNP wars makes them look like a party in its death throes, and yet they lead in the polls. Strange times.

I would think, as with Labour, there will be a death throes period of voters going "Well I hate what they're doing but they're the only independence/non UK Tory option so I'll hold my nose and vote for them." As with Labour, the SNP are probably relying on this: that they can do this and get away with it because there's not enough of an alternative regardless of how angry they make their electorate.

As Labour have seen however, you can't rely on that working forever. They do eventually get pissed off enough to move their vote elsewhere.