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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

trans social contagion more likely in single sex school?

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Twistiesandshout · 28/01/2021 22:09

Inspired by another thread.

We have to choose between single or mixed sex senior school for DD. DD is not "girly' at all, and actively rejects stereotypical girl behaviour etc.

Lately with all the social contagion trans things I am reading I am getting worried about sending her to a single sex school. The girls school is my/our preferred choice and proudly states it is empowering young women of the future which I love.

So I thought I would ask here do you think social contagion is more or less likely in single sex school?

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FifteenToes · 30/01/2021 20:27

@merrymouse

I've never met a teenager who believes sex isn't real, I don't really know how many there are, if any.

Have you ever met a teenager who can explain TWAW without resorting to stereotypes and/or denying the existence of sex?

I can't say I've honestly ever heard a teenager deny the existence of sex.

Most of the people involved in this stuff don't seem to be able to explain it very much at all. It's a mistake to assume that everybody's thought through all the logical implications of everything they believe, so that they must believe all the things that you recognise as logically inevitable from their starting point. Most people don't really work that way.

bourbonne · 30/01/2021 20:55

There's an awful lot of pseudoscience out there that does pretty much deny the existence of sex as a binary characteristic. I can easily imagine a young person wading through Twitter and starting to think "oh, it's all a spectrum after all, it's more complicated than my boring old mum and dad realise". There are supposedly serious organisations, even some that purport to stand for science, that are tweeting about sex being a social construct. Not (just) gender - sex. You'd think this would be very clear-cut, but there are a lot of people muddying the waters.

FifteenToes · 30/01/2021 21:33

Yes, one can easily imagine it.

merrymouse · 30/01/2021 22:48

Stereotypes are recognised by external observation, whereas identity is determined by subjective experience and declaration.

Identity with reference to what? It all comes back to stereotypes and that is harmful.

Kettlingur · 30/01/2021 22:48

I really don't think the majority of them believe that biology is not immutable. I think the normal approach among them is, while still understanding that they're biologically female, just to believe that it's gender "identity" that determines whether you call yourself a boy or a girl.

I've just today been told to "educate myself" by a group of younger people on a FB post who told me that it is seriously outdated to think that biological sex is a binary or that it has anything to do with chromosomes or that it cannot be changed. It is very common to question the very existence of biological sex these days.

Kettlingur · 30/01/2021 22:53

I think it may be easier to identify as a boy when you are not confronted on a daily basis with teenage boys and what they are actually like.

Probably true. It's easier to picture them as gentle Yaoi softbois from a distance, when you don't need to sit next to Jack who picks his nose and makes fart jokes.

FifteenToes · 30/01/2021 23:12

@Kettlingur

I really don't think the majority of them believe that biology is not immutable. I think the normal approach among them is, while still understanding that they're biologically female, just to believe that it's gender "identity" that determines whether you call yourself a boy or a girl.

I've just today been told to "educate myself" by a group of younger people on a FB post who told me that it is seriously outdated to think that biological sex is a binary or that it has anything to do with chromosomes or that it cannot be changed. It is very common to question the very existence of biological sex these days.

Oh well I'm probably wrong then.

That sucks. Sad

Kettlingur · 30/01/2021 23:20

I think the goalposts are moving at a fast pace nowadays. Things that were fine last summer are seriously wrong and phobic today.

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