Another case against the Tavistock

[Thisbetheday]

There is a new case against the Tavi - it is a challenge to the guidelines that GIDS are basing their practice on.

Basically WPATH has shaped the clinical practice and WPATH (an activist group) advocate against anything other than affirmation.

I'm not allowed to post the Crowdfunder link

I'm sure you can tell us who though?

Could you possibly tell us who is bringing this case and give a hint to where we can find the crowd finder.

Its a parent - Mrs Y

Its called Challenge to guidelines that shape clinical practice at GIDS

'Mum of a 16 year old being treated at the Tavistock Clinic.

I am the mum of a 16-year-old girl who is currently being seen by the Tavistock clinic. Having learned about being trans on the Internet she identifies as a boy and says she wishes to medically transition. From the very first interactions with the clinic, our daughter’s belief that she is a boy has been affirmed. She has a diagnosis of autism and was (before coming out as trans) exploring her sexuality and romantic attraction to girls. It seems possible that these things may be contributing to her current feelings about gender but I don’t believe that the clinic is exploring them in any depth. Rather, it feels they are leading us on a pathway to medical transition. Our worry is that by simply continuing to affirm her chosen identity rather than adopting a more watchful, waiting and curiously questioning approach, the medical pathway becomes the most likely outcome for her

Summary

I am concerned that the guidelines that shape clinical practice at GIDS have been shaped by activism rather than by independent evidence based review. This means that a child’s belief in their gender identity is positively affirmed without question making it more likely they will embark on risky experimental medical treatment that has irreversible lifelong consequences.

Psychological and therapeutic approaches that help children live at ease in their natal sex need to be freed from political pressure so the right support can be given without fear of accusations of unethical treatment or conversion therapy. '

Thanks for posting. They are coming in fast now.

I think we are up to four cases against the Tavistock - Keira/Mrs A, Sonia Appleby, David Bell and now Mrs Y.

Would those be the WPATH Standards of Care that aren't actually standards of care, but just guidelines?

archive.vn/YdSLv

No other patient population dictates the terms of their care.

It's fascinating/horrifying

What other patient population has medical practice dictated by lobby groups, has experimental medication used on them that in some cases leads to sterility and negative impacts on many aspects of human development all before the patient is able to give informed consent (according the the High Court) ?

Quite right that all this is being tested in the courts.

Hopefully those schools and adult organisations promoting the transitioning of children in secret from their parents will be next on the list for the court's attention.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

No other patient population dictates the terms of their care.

It's fascinating/horrifying

Agree entirely.

@persistentwoman

What other patient population has medical practice dictated by lobby groups, has experimental medication used on them that in some cases leads to sterility and negative impacts on many aspects of human development all before the patient is able to give informed consent (according the the High Court) ?

Quite right that all this is being tested in the courts.

Hopefully those schools and adult organisations promoting the transitioning of children in secret from their parents will be next on the list for the court's attention.

I bloody hope so.

I can't find this on crowd funder. I have typed in
"Challenge to guidelines that shape clinical practice at GIDS"
but no results keeps showing up.

@Weatherwarning

I can't find this on crowd funder. I have typed in "Challenge to guidelines that shape clinical practice at GIDS" but no results keeps showing up.

Try crowd justice

Got it, thanks.

This looks like an incredibly good case in that it asks the JR to look at WPATH and as far as I know, so many countries are implementing their guidance without recognising their lack of medical expertise

It would be bloody fantastic if a court took a good long look at WPATH.

Regular reminder to untick the box for CrowdJustice contribution as protest against what they did to Allison Bailey’s appeal

I picked up that Jr is refused if the thing being challenged is under review. I wonder if the cass review will be considered too close to allow the Jr?

It would be good to have all the evidence & everything considered by a dispassionate Court.

I saw it shared by a Canadian account, but unless I've missed it it hasn't been promoted by the UK orgs that are campaigning around this, which makes me think it hasn't come about that way. Not that it has to - Mrs y is entitled to challenge on her own obvs.

No other patient population dictates the terms of their care.

Because the other populations don’t have male sexual entitlement behind them

Are there any lawyers about? I'm surprised that this would work given that I thought that Keira had a somewhat similar case going, and she had to pull it because the Cass review would mean that it would fail. Why is this one different?

I don't think Keira could bring a similar case because she is no longer being treated by the Tavi.

I suppose its a timing thing - the Cass review will take quite a while.

Challenge to guidelines that shaped clinical practices

So really I think the difference is that Mrs Y wants JR to look at how things came about, so in effect, how was this organisation captured

My view, anyone else?

Happily contributed to this, asking a court to look at what the guidance is, and how it was arrived at, seems an excellent idea to me.

@Thisbetheday

I don't think Keira could bring a similar case because she is no longer being treated by the Tavi.

I suppose its a timing thing - the Cass review will take quite a while.

I'm not sure that's it, as Keira's case was also about Mrs A, the mother of a 15 year old on the waiting list for GIDS.

Were Keira and co actually made to withdraw or did they lawyers just advise them to? Perhaps these lawyers just have a different opinion about what's possible / worthwhile taking a punt on?

This case is to challenge the existence of 'gender identity' in the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) on Conversion Therapy document. This current document prevents clinicians from helping children suffering from gender dysphoria to be at ease in their sex.

This is Keira's case that has been put on hold and waiting for the results of the Cass review. The other case is now in appeal. Maybe that's what is being said upthread, but was getting confused so have gone back to check

This is the one going through appeal I'm an ex patient of Gender Identity Clinics where I was prescribed dangerous, experimental drugs and received a double mastectomy procedure. I am fighting to stop this from happening to minors.