How much will be enough from the Labour Party?

[gardenbird48]

I am genuinely baffled. After the sterling efforts from Lisa Nandy, the infamous pledge, expelling dissenters, and commemorative videos from Angela Rayner etc, after a deafening silence from senior leadership over the ongoing and horrendous abuse of Rosie Duffield - leaving her to fend for herself.

After all that, there are mtf transgender people in positions of influence in Labour for Women - pushing for trans issues, there is a Labour LGBTQIA+ group that largely centres trans issues and yet the situation is so bad in Labour that they have felt the need to launch a new group - Labour Trans Equality!

I wonder if this means that Labour Women and Labour LGB will go back to centering the issues relevant to them?

How did they get to this? What will be enough? Tbh, if they think Labour is bad for transgender people, they should look at how bad it is for women but that’s another conversation - obviously it isn’t a competition.

The Labour Party is a mess, tbf not just over this issue.

There is a generational divide over this issue in the party.

Womens full equality is a battle that has been going on for centuries, and it still makes boys and men feel uncomfortable, and angry.

Young people who want to fight for social justice have more fashionable causes dangled infront of them, ones that wont make male compatriots feel uncomfortable, and males still hold the power in social situations.

The overwhelming majority of older members from both the center and the left of the party don't support gender idology, but vocal opposion is ruthlessly suppressed with accusations of bigotry and threats of expulsion (also indeference and out right oppositon to womens rights by Labour men is just as much a thing as in the general population of men). So its left to run riot unopposed.

Labour still has this fantasy that the young will somehow 'save' them and the left movement in general. Its ironic really, when it seems the opposite is true. This weird youth obsession will kill the left once and for all once the general population gets wind of what its about.

Given the crisis in the environment and capatilism generally its tragic that this nonesense will stop socialism saving the day.

You mentioned that there are m2f trans in positions of influence. Are there also f2m representatives!

Weirdly none that I know of. Funny that.

The Labour Party has lost Scotland and is not doing well in other parts of the UK, and this will not help. Other issues will decide whether or not it gets close to stopping the Tories having a majority in 2024 or not.

Heather Peto and Natacha Kennedy seem to be behind this.

I'm all for labour trans equality, they do deserve equality, protection and representation. As long as they don't demand removal of woman's sex based rights and the language we use to describe ourselves.

I wouldn't worry about it. Labour won't be in power for at least a decade, so it doesn't matter what they do or don't do atm.

I'm in a Labour women's group. There is, of course, an interloper. So therefore we cannot even discuss this issue... for the time being. Alliances are being quietly and carefully formed and when the time comes we will bring the issue to the fore.
Just really fed up of the massive elephant in the room though. It's absolutely ridiculous, especially when this person talks about wanting to attend the women's conference.
FFS! Can't we have anything for ourselves?!

@GrimSisters

I'm in a Labour women's group. There is, of course, an interloper. So therefore we cannot even discuss this issue... for the time being. Alliances are being quietly and carefully formed and when the time comes we will bring the issue to the fore. Just really fed up of the massive elephant in the room though. It's absolutely ridiculous, especially when this person talks about wanting to attend the women's conference. FFS! Can't we have anything for ourselves?!

That sounds very difficult- women being prevented from talking about issues that affect them. One person has now effectively silenced a number of women on this issue - that is concerning.

Glad to hear you are finding ways forward though :-)

The situation with Labour is so depressing. Women who have come up through all women shortlists acting like biological sex isn't immutable. There's a reason those shortlists were needed to force more women through.
If the likes of Nandy and Rayner want to give up their places to men then more fool them but how dare they try giving away other women's rights.

I'd just read this article.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/27/starmer-labour-failing-to-win-back-tory-voters-england-may-polls

They don't seem to be asking themselves why. Fingers still in ears.

Interesting the comment about expensive court cases piling up.