They got Helen

[Glinner]

Twitter finally got Helen for asking #thestanilandquestion

twitter.com/trfishatespeech/status/1354130704494432256?s=20

What does Twitter do in countries where transgender and gay are unlawful? Have twitter admitted that they are a political platform because governments have the right to defend free speech of their own nations

It's not just that the question won't go away - femaleness also won't go away. It will keep occurring naturally and there will always be biologically female people and they will always, eventually, organise for their own safety and rights. That is the one thing TRAs, especially aggressive male TRAs, can't bear, but no amount of bullying and shutting people down will change it.

@HerselfIndoors

It's not just that the question won't go away - femaleness also won't go away. It will keep occurring naturally and there will always be biologically female people and they will always, eventually, organise for their own safety and rights. That is the one thing TRAs, especially aggressive male TRAs, can't bear, but no amount of bullying and shutting people down will change it.

Hear hear!

So what we exactly is the Staniland question?

It's "Do you believe that male-sexed people have the right to undress and shower in a communal changing room with teenage girls?" CranberriesChoccyAgain.

The Staniland Question was answered, though. But she kept on as if it hadn't been. Did she not have any new material?

If I ask a question about a disputed matter and I am compelled to accept the answer, and that the world must then operate according to it, then what's happening is not about women being able to protect their rights.

One of the rights most under attack is the right to say "no".

I just refreshed this hashtag on Twitter and can see it’s now trending in German. Yeah, that really worked out well as a silencing tactic. 😆

That's brilliant, boatyardblues!

Long thread on AIBU about this today too.

Yes I've seen that Joody. I'm very pleased to see it's getting lots of attention too, and some brilliant, enlightening posts by lots of excellent women

And a second thread is up, this time with the poll active.

Have any of you ever been outside before?

@VeraTheLoreseeker

Have any of you ever been outside before?

While you are here, maybe you could answer whether an adult male with a penis should have the right to be undressing in a communal changing room (and they exist right now throughout the UK) with a teenaged girl or indeed, any female?

Or are you just head to poke the pointy finger of shame at the women on this board?

@VeraTheLoreseeker

Have any of you ever been outside before?

Have you?

You should try it. Outside is full of people not conforming to gender stereotypes, just quietly getting on with being themselves and pursuing whatever interests them as human beings.

Outdoorsy stuff, music, cookery, crafts, discussing what they've read.

Maybe a little bit of political activism - eg ensuring equal pay legislation is actually respected by employers.

Maybe a bit of community activism, building and maintaining facilities for the people where they live.

It's lovely out there. Much better than staring at your screen all day.

You should try it.

Have any of you ever been outside before?

I think that's illegal at the moment, tbh.

Have any of you ever been outside before?

Is that it Vera? Is that your attempt to scorn women into not caring about this because it's so petty and only for people with no life? Your efforts to make us think that show how much you know it's a big deal, and so do we.

Instead of silly playground sneering like this, why not come forward with your actual arguments. Unlike most TRAs, I welcome a reasoned debate and I'd be prepared to change my mind if the facts showed me that would be reasonable.

Yet strangely I haven't yet encountered anyone who can give an actual clear argument as to why females shouldn't matter as a class, why or how humans can change sex or have a gendered inner self, why or how it's any different from a white person claiming to be black. The TRA side of this debate is just "no debate", bullying, violence and sneering. Wonder why.

Instead of silly playground sneering like this

All they've got.

"While you are here, maybe you could answer whether an adult male with a penis should have the right to be undressing in a communal changing room (and they exist right now throughout the UK) with a teenaged girl or indeed, any female?"

Perhaps they feel they don't need to answer because it might not ever happen (in their mind). A lot of them seem to believe we're afraid of an urban legend boogeyman figure.

Kind of like when you ask a misogynist if he would be happy for his daughter to be with a man who says/believes horrible things about women, and he replies with "well I don't have a daughter, so..". It's avoidance, denial. Pretending there isn't a problem because they haven't encountered it.

Perhaps they feel they don't need to answer because it might not ever happen (in their mind). A lot of them seem to believe we're afraid of an urban legend boogeyman figure.

You are quite right.

That is what happens on twitter.

The old "there is no communal changing rooms anyway" (of course there bloody well is),
or 'everyone should have a cubicle',
or 'transwomen are too conscious of their body to do this anyway' (um.... the person in question may not be your friend who is a transwoman, it may actually be a male who wants access to our single sex spaces),
or finally, no male would go to so much trouble to do this. (umm.... have you looked at the increase of males filming in toilets where they get access to women in a state of undress etc? This is already happening. )