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Social media hate crime must be treated as a 'priority' - College of Policing Guidance

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stumbledin · 26/01/2021 14:06

Social media hate crime must be treated as “priority” and handled by senior officers, new College of Policing guidance states.

Officers have been told that even where a crime has not been committed, they should consider visiting the accused at work and it should be recorded as a “hate incident” which could show up on criminal record checks.

It has reignited debate over the impact on freedom of speech and the use of police resources.

The guidance, released quietly at the end of last year, is now facing a judicial review by campaigners who say that it could be “actively harmful” as it allows police to record even false or malicious accusations.

Article in yesterday's Telegraph (sorry dont have share token) www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/25/social-media-hate-crime-must-treated-priority-police-told/

New national hate crime guidance published
Published on 20 October 2020
beta.college.police.uk/article/new-national-hate-crime-guidance-published

I know there are existing threads on this but just wanted to highlight that again it is right wing papers monitoring this development in policing and are reporting - but behind a paywall.

Article also has reminders that two court cases are coming up:

" ... Mr Miller, who last year won a legal challenge against Humberside Police after they recorded a ‘non-crime hate incident’ against him, is due to go back to the Court of Appeal to challenge the College of Policing guidance in March.

Sarah Phillimore, a barrister and co-founder of Fair Cop, is leading a separate judicial review against the guidance which is in its pre-action stages. ... "

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stumbledin · 26/01/2021 14:08

If someone has access to the article could they archive it maybe? archive.is/

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highame · 26/01/2021 14:26

I think it's time women started reporting hate because there sure as hell seems to be lots of it hurled at women.

Have just submitted (today) evidence for freedom of speech, violence against women & girls, and standards in public life (used this to talk about lobbying and bias) and another which I can't remember (brain fuzz with all the thinking) but am now patting myself on the back

nevertrustaherdofcows · 26/01/2021 14:32

An excerpt:

'The dictate to treat hate crimes as “priority incidents” comes amid controversy over the downgrading of priority on other crimes such as burglary, which some forces and senior officers have said that they do not have the time to investigate fully.

Final decisions around where to use resources and budgets are made by Police and Crime Commissioners and Chief Constables.

But the college states when forces receive allegations of hate crime “positive action should be taken, not just a record made” and they should “require the notification and/or attendance of supervisors or investigators”.

It advises that “supervisors should take an active interest in overseeing the investigative” and a “duty inspector or supervisor should consider attending the scene”.

For transgender or sexual orientation hate crimes, officers are warned that they should not question someone about their identity unless essential to the investigation.

The new guidance also widens the list of protected categories including adding cross dressers to those who could be a victim of a hate crime or incident.

Despite senior judges criticising police for labelling complainants as “victims” before a conviction, the term is used throughout the guidance even though the college acknowledges that in some cases a crime will not have even been reported.

It states that a “victim” does not have to “justify or provide evidence of their belief” that it a hate crime has been committed and officers “should not directly challenge this perception”.

Even if a crime has not been committed, if the “victim” believes the action was motivated by hostility it “should be recorded and flagged as a non-crime hate incident”.

In these incidents officers are instructed to “consider whether it is proportionate to the incident, and the aim of the contact, to contact people involved in the incident at their place of work or study, or in a manner which is likely to alert a third party…

“Police should always consider the least intrusive method of contact for achieving their proportionate aims, eg, a telephone call, letter or visit."

The guidance sets out for the first time that these non-crimes could be disclosed to a current or prospective employer under an enhanced criminal record check.

The Telegraph revealed earlier this year that police had recorded nearly 120,000 “non-crime” hate incidents which could impact on people’s ability to get jobs over the course of six years.

The College of Policing states that recording is necessary as forces should “be able to analyse [non-crimes] so that preventive activity can take place”.

However, Fair Cop has sent Freedom of Information requests to every police force in the country and not one has said that they are analysing non-crime hate incidents to use as intelligence for actual crimes.

Mr Miller, who last year won a legal challenge against Humberside Police after they recorded a ‘non-crime hate incident’ against him, is due to go back to the Court of Appeal to challenge the College of Policing guidance in March.

Sarah Phillimore, a barrister and co-founder of Fair Cop, is leading a separate judicial review against the guidance which is in its pre-action stages.

Mr Miller said: “It is easy for police to collect data on non-crimes from tweets, so much easier than tackling proper hate crime which is speech that is so volatile that all it lacks is an opportunity to stab someone.” '

He warned that “normal human motions” were being criminalised as the definitions of hostility in the guidance, which is required to be proven before a prosecution takes place, include “unfriendliness”, “antagonism” and “spite”.

nevertrustaherdofcows · 26/01/2021 14:33

Already in archives when i tried ;)

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 26/01/2021 14:33

I think it's time women started reporting hate because there sure as hell seems to be lots of it hurled at women.

Women aren't protected under hate crime legislation.

MichelleofzeResistance · 26/01/2021 14:39

And it's that which makes it nonsense.

Either spite, harassment and threats are unacceptable regardless of who says it and who is on the receiving end of it, or it's merely about privileging some voices over others and is politically biased nonsense.

The whole 'unfriendliness' nonsense I won't even engage with. That's not the police's business, and it's ridiculous. I'd point them towards serious bullying ending in assault in secondary schools, burglaries, rapes, actual crimes they are doing a bloody awful job in dealing with before they try playground circle timing for the benefit of political hobby horses.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 26/01/2021 14:42

Am I correct in thinking that if you belong in any group protected by the legislation, you can allege that something is 'hate speech' as long as you believe it is motivated by hostility? And that you don't have to provide evidence and the perpetrator may not even know?

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 14:47

I think it's time women started reporting hate because there sure as hell seems to be lots of it hurled at women.

Women aren't protected under hate crime legislation.

Would hate directed at women reported as hate crime directed at gender non-conforming non-binary people cover it?

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 14:49

Past, I don't think the person reporting need be in the protected group. Police are encouraging everyone to report hate incidents, no matter if its directed at them or another person. Otherwise, I think your statement is correct.

ThePankhurstConnection · 26/01/2021 14:54

The new guidance also widens the list of protected categories including adding cross dressers to those who could be a victim of a hate crime or incident.

Wearing women's clothes = protected
Being a woman = fend for yourself witch.

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 26/01/2021 14:58

Interesting thought isn't it? They could report all sorts of stuff.

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 15:02

Well, that covers me, I think, currently wearing trousers JUST LIKE A MAN.

Hedgehog123 · 26/01/2021 15:02

Why on Earth is this a priority when we have just found out that 99% of reported rapes are not prosecuted!? It’s completely ridiculous to prioritise social media ‘hate’ over actual physical harm. Who gets to decide what is ‘hate’ anyway?

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 15:08

From Police Scotland:

'Hate incidents are any events where you or another person perceive the event to be motivated by prejudice towards a particular group who are protected from such prejudice being directed at them.'

'If you have been targeted because of your disability, race, religion, sexual orientation or transgender identity, or you are aware of someone else being targeted, we want you to report it.'

There is also the option of reporting anonymously, I've just checked the online reporting form.

So - anyone can report anyone at all for just about anything, anonymously. Will this honestly be recorded against the accused's record?

What could possibly go wrong?

Have they not heard of the Stasi?

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/01/2021 15:15

For transgender or sexual orientation hate crimes, officers are warned that they should not question someone about their identity unless essential to the investigation.

Excellent! I'm a non-binary gender-expansive trans woman who cross-dresses every day by the way. Smile

ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 15:34

No way, Nonny, me too! Didn't know there were so many of us about!

iguanadonna · 26/01/2021 16:24

It states that a “victim” does not have to “justify or provide evidence of their belief” that it a hate crime has been committed and officers “should not directly challenge this perception”.

Wouldn't it be nice if the police took that attitude to women reporting rape and sexual assault too? 'Victims do not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief that a rape has been committed'. 'Officers should not directly challenge this perception'.

RadandMad · 26/01/2021 16:33

The fact that women are not protected against hate crime just blows my mind. Surely this is open to a legal challenge?

NonnyMouse1337 · 26/01/2021 16:36

@ArabellaScott

No way, Nonny, me too! Didn't know there were so many of us about!
We hide in plain sight. 🤓
ArabellaScott · 26/01/2021 16:44

Funny you should say that, Rad.

To be debated next eek in Scotland the Hate Crime bill. Just about to make a new thread, if there isn't one.

BlackForestCake · 26/01/2021 16:50

Eventually we are all going to be sitting on the internet every day, cancelling each other. No one is so perfect that you can’t find something to attack them with.

HmmSureJan · 26/01/2021 16:54

So no way to prove or disprove as it's all in the head of the accuser and no matter the outcome you'll likely have a record and a stain on your reputation.

This is terrifying.

MegtheShark · 26/01/2021 16:58

Women aren't protected under hate crime legislation.

What about if we identify as non binary or as a transwoman? Why not, if transwoman = woman then woman = transwoman.

Then would the rape and death threats get taken seriously with no need for any evidence?

This is genuinely terrifying though. After lockdown I want to start getting more involved in the grass roots organisations fighting this insanity.

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2021 17:03

stumbledin it’s already been archived Smile

Telegraph article:

”Social media hate crime must be treated as a 'priority', police told”

archive.is/Ck807

howard97A · 26/01/2021 17:20

I wonder how front-line police officers feel about being used as enforcers for Stonewall

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