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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sarah Vine on BBC Indoctrination of children on 100 'genders'

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Abitofalark · 23/01/2021 23:17

In an article in the Mail, Sarah Vine declares the necessity to speak out when you know something is fundamentally wrong. She notes the Biden executive order and questions its implications for women and girls in sport etc.

Pulls no punches in referencing the BBC's masterclass in indoctrination of young children. " In a video entitled Identity – Understanding Sexual and Gender Identities, produced as part of the Corporation's online resource material for teachers, a group of schoolchildren aged between nine and 12 discuss the issue with teachers. "

'What's the difference between sex and gender?' (Answer: sex is the body parts you are born with; gender is who you feel inside). ...

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9180019/SARAH-VINE-masterclass-indoctrination-licence-fee.html

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Packingsoapandwater · 27/01/2021 11:49

Someone in government needs to intervene on this issue and soon.

It's not particularly the issue of teaching primary school-aged children about gender theory, but the inherent danger in teaching young children about something that contradicts their innate understanding of basic concepts.

Children work in absolutes and categories. This tree is tall; this bug is small. A dog is not a cat.

Later, when they have grasped these concepts, they develop the ability to refine them. This is when they can begin to accept that a lion is a "big cat", because "cat" is not just about Tiddles but also a name of a class of animal.

Then when they reach their later teen years, they are able to mentally consider why those categories exist and what challenges those parameters. It's only really adults that can start to consider the subversion of those categories, and remain able to psychologically function.

But if you challenge a young child's understanding of a basic concept by saying it is the opposite, you won't necessarily persuade the child what you are saying is "true". Instead, the child is more likely to think you are lying and therefore distrust you.

And this is the problem. You cannot sustain a situation where children think their teachers have lied to them, because they will become suspicious of everything else the teacher then says.

It happens a lot when teachers do something that children perceive as "unfair." Children don't react by saying "I didn't agree with her" or "I must have got it wrong" ; they react by beginning to mistrust the teacher and saying "I don't like Mrs. Packing anymore" or "I don't want to go to school anymore because Mrs Packing is horrible because she told Leo off and it wasn't Leo who broke the handle, it was Ellie."

In short, if you start to try to teach concepts that go against primary school aged children's understanding of the world, you won't change theur perspectives, you will just undermine the trust pupils have in their teachers, and if you lose that, the entire educational process will be undermined.

The whole thing just falls apart.

Abitofalark · 27/01/2021 13:55

When I posted about this article on Sunday, I wasn't aware of a piece (linked by persistent woman above) written by the political editor Glen Owen. The aim was deadly: "It comes despite Government guidance published last year which advised schools to exercise caution when teaching children about gender issues." And: "The film also tells children that becoming transgender is a way to be 'happy' while making no mention of the growing legal and medical concerns about the rising number of children saying they want to change gender."

[ He also had a piece, no less deadly, about a BBC Three documentary 'DIY Trans Teens' which "will publicise the work of a doctor who has been struck off in the UK and now operates an online firm overseas that offers gender-change drugs to people in the UK. In December, the High Court said the effects of the drugs were unknown and may include long-term harm, meaning it was very unlikely that children could give informed consent to their use."
"The BBC had initially planned to start screening the DIY Trans Teens documentary on January 26.
All references to the show were removed from the Corporation’s website last week after attracting attention on social media."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9180377/New-BBC-Three-documentary-DIY-Trans-Teens-reveals-children-buy-sex-change-drugs.html]

Even more surprising than the news updates today about the BBC's 100 genders propaganda is discovering that the topic was covered in the Sunday Times on 8 September 2019 by Nicholas Hellen, Social Affairs Editor:
"The BBC has told teachers who work with children aged 9-12 that there are “100, if not more” gender identities.
Children are seeking in record numbers to change their gender because they feel they were born in the wrong body, and the advice has sparked concerns that it could fuel confusion.
The claim appears in a series of nine films created by BBC Teach to support the personal, social and health education (PSHE) curriculum in schools."
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-films-teach-children-of-100-genders-or-more-7xfhbg97p?ni-statuscode=acsaz-307

And that's not all: the same story was covered on the same date in the Mail on Sunday: " A BBC education film that claimed there were 'more than 100 gender identities' has been blasted as 'nonsense' and accused of 'confusing' primary school children.
BBC Teach released a series of nine films that support the physical, social and health education (PSHE) curriculum in schools."

It included something else that was news to me:
"Currently, six genders are officially recognised by the Royal College of General Practitioners, which represents those who are often the first point of contact to people questioning their identity.
These six are male, female, gender-neutral, non-binary, gender-fluid and gender-queer.
A foundation called Transgender Trend represents families that are concerned about the surge in diagnosing young children as transgender. Founder Stephanie Davies-Arai said: 'This is made-up nonsense."
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7440377/BBC-education-film-claims-100-gender-identities-blasted-nonsense.html

Now, after keeping the material up for more than a year despite original media exposure, government advice about school teaching and an important court case, the BBC has ungraciously withdrawn it under pressure from social media, coming across like a sulky teenager in blaming media for it being "wilfully misinterpreted". That's a bizarrely unsuitable stance for a broadcaster, given how serious the topic and its implications for children. It couldn't even bring itself to use the word 'withdraw', preferring to mangle the language by using an intransitive verb. How juvenile.

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persistentwoman · 27/01/2021 18:25

That's a great post Abitofalark

What of course this unprofessional and childish response also reveals is the inherent bias of the BBC complaints team. These are the people who routinely dismiss complaints about the BBC misrepresenting the law, bias in favour of certain lobby groups, deliberately manipulating children etc. Hopefully Sarah Vine or other journalists will comment on this as it so displays who they really are and why the myriad of complaints to the BBC about their inherent prejudice with this issue gets nowhere.

Abitofalark · 27/01/2021 22:10

Thank you, persistentwoman and for tipping me about the article. What's interesting is that this series of articles shows that the newspapers have become well informed about developments in government and the law on this subject, even if the BBC arrogantly chooses to ignore them.

As someone mentioned above, this response from the BBC Complaints Unit itself merits a complaint. It is essentially frivolous and trivialising, which is extremely worrying when you think about people of this mentality putting material into schools. I wonder how far up the complaints chain this went. Can senior people in the organisation really approve of this going out in the name of the BBC?

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persistentwoman · 28/01/2021 08:04

Interesting question about overview of BBC complaints. I must admit, I see it as part of the general approach that organisations that have been subject to Stonewall law have - aggrieved dismissal of everything.

There's a pattern of playing down / ignoring extreme incidents relating to children and their safety / wellbeing. The NSPCC and rubberman, the Girl Guides and "advisers" with an interest in extreme violent porn, the Women Equalities committee taking advice from an individual with a history of flashing and sharing dodgy photos of teenage boys in school toilets, all the organisations openly pushing extreme porn at children under the guise of Sex Relationships Education. That's just off the top of my head. Issues that some years ago would have bought the weight of societal disapproval down on these organisations are now ignored. And that's because of the 'sacred caste' approach where nobody is allowed to challenge what is said by those under the Stonewall cloak. Hence the repressed fury at the BBC of being called out for producing such mind fuckery for children.

Even if there is any quality control of the complaints department, would the overseers see anything wrong? Because all the above examples were initially excused / accepted by these powerful organisations and change only happened when the grim details were publicly exposed.

ValancyRedfern · 28/01/2021 13:24

I agree persistentwoman the overseers are very much part of the problem. I don't see any will at any level of e.g. The BBC and NSPCC to tackle this.

RedDogsBeg · 28/01/2021 13:35

@littlbrowndog

I know look at this bitter bitter retirement statement
If it was never aimed directly at pupils why then is there a teacher(?) surrounded by young children telling them all about the 100 genders???

My concern is about the poor children who appeared in it, the whole thing was nothing but brainwashing propaganda with zero scientific or fact behind it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2021 13:42

The BBC Complaints department is shockingly smug and arrogant. They ought to consider why they exist, and who funds them.

persistentwoman · 28/01/2021 13:50

@Ereshkigalangcleg

The BBC Complaints department is shockingly smug and arrogant. They ought to consider why they exist, and who funds them.
It's good to see their arrogance and bias clearly evidenced in that toddler tantrum of a statement. Grin
Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/01/2021 15:15

It's not just this issue. A family member of mine recently wrote a letter to them to complain, and while I didn't entirely agree with his letter, the reply was dreadfully patronising and self righteous.

MrsWooster · 28/01/2021 16:13

Packing
That is a brilliant post about destroying children’s trust.

persistentwoman · 28/01/2021 16:27

@MrsWooster

Packing That is a brilliant post about destroying children’s trust.
Thank you MrsWooster . That is indeed a fantastic post from Packingsoapandwater. Such a shame that people who don't understand child development are being enabled by the BBC to mess with children's minds.
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