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CAPTURED! The Full Story Behind The Memorandum of Understanding on Conversion Therapy

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OvaHere · 18/01/2021 12:01

www.transgendertrend.com/product/captured-the-full-story-behind-the-memorandum-of-understanding-on-conversion-therapy/

This is a 17 page pdf exploring how this MOU came to be and the activist networks involved in capturing counselling bodies.

Written by Shelley Charlsworth, it's worth taking 15 minutes to read through.

OP posts:
RozWatching · 19/01/2021 20:45

Couple of snippets:

"The core working party of 8 included Meg-John Barker, then working in academia with an interest in gender theory, polyamorous identities, kink and BDSM.
Barker has co-authored works with Christina Richards and Darren Langdridge, both also in the working party. Dr Christina Richards is currently Lead Consultant Psychologist, Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust and a member of the BPS prescribing rights group. Richards, who is trans, openly uses activist language even when writing job specifications for the Tavistock clinic."

"James Caspian was also acting as a consultant to the wider group of organisations working on the MoU. He confirms that Stephanie Davies-Arai's letter was read out at the MOU review meeting in March when all the stakeholders were round the table, but that the atmosphere in meetings, dominated by activists, was toxic: " There are lots of activists within the LGBT community and I sensed that everyone was scared of them." Pressure to agree to the addition of gender identity was intense and he was subject to a long intimidating phone call by a member of Pink Therapy who demanded if Caspian was going to "block affirm."

Call me a bigot, but I'm left with the impression that gender identity & young people is one area where strong involvement of activists and people with a professional interest in 'kink' doesn't necessarily lead to best policies and guidelines.

CaraDuneRedux · 19/01/2021 20:48

Meg John Barker is the "women adhere to stereotypes unless you're nothern, in which case you have a pass to be a bit rough round the edges" person, I believe.

RozWatching · 19/01/2021 21:07

Yes, northern women can be aggressive according to Barker. Wasn't that another guidance that had to be pulled after publication?

HecatesCats · 19/01/2021 21:28

@CaraDuneRedux

Meg John Barker is the "women adhere to stereotypes unless you're nothern, in which case you have a pass to be a bit rough round the edges" person, I believe.
Ah yes. From a previous thread:

Good Practice Guide, British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy
(extract)
2.6 Gender identity: woman
Definitions
"Whether trans or cisgender, intersex or not, many people identify as
women. However, what this means varies a great deal depending on their other intersecting attributes. It is important not to assume, for example, that being a woman necessarily involves being able to bear children, or having XX sex chromosomes, or breasts. Being a woman in a British cultural context often means adhering to social norms of femininity, such as being nurturing, caring, social, emotional, vulnerable, and concerned with appearance.
However, of course, not all women adhere to all these things. For example some neurodiverse women (on the autistic/aspergic/ADHD spectrums) may struggle to express emotions, or with social situations. In some northern working-class contexts femininity is associated with strength and aggression. As always an intersectional understanding is vital and we need to be mindful that what is culturally regarded as the epitome of femininity is white, middle class, youthful, non-disabled, heterosexual, cisgender, and thin. This strongly shapes all women’s experiences of womanhood.
Common concerns
While gender may not always be relevant to a woman’s presenting issues, mental health struggles are often gendered. Women have such high rates of body image issues that this has been labelled ‘normative discontent’.
It has been related to both narrow ideals of feminine beauty, and the
contradictory pressures on women today to conform to stereotypical
femininity and to be independent and successful. Food and body
can represent one potential area of control in an uncontrollable and
contradictory world. Women are more likely than men to be diagnosed with depression, anxiety, and many other emotional disorders. This has been linked to the way women’s identities are often bound up with other people, for example, rates of depression often peak for mothers when children leave home. Therapy with women may well involve exploring their relationships with others, and with being desirable, pleasing and/or approved of" (continues)

BACP Gender,Sexual, and Relationship Diversity by Dr Meg-John Barker
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3339137-BACP-Gender-Sexual-and-Relationship-Diversity-by-Dr-Meg-John-Barker

Datun · 19/01/2021 21:42

Being a woman in a British cultural context often means adhering to social norms of femininity, such as being nurturing, caring, social, emotional, vulnerable, and concerned with appearance.
However, of course, not all women adhere to all these things. For example some neurodiverse women (on the autistic/aspergic/ADHD spectrums) may struggle to express emotions, or with social situations. In some northern working-class contexts femininity is associated with strength and aggression.

Honestly I've never read such a pile of wank in all my life. 🤣🤣🤣

HecatesCats · 19/01/2021 21:52

Sexist bullshit bingo

carlaCox · 19/01/2021 22:16

It's always the ones wanging on about "intersectionality" and "inclusiveness" that peddle the most ridiculous stereotypes. I'm sure Nora Batty will be delighted to know that she can still can herself a female.

highame · 20/01/2021 08:19

Honestly I've never read such a pile of wank in all my life. You've been on these boards for a very long time Datun so that statement is clearly false 🤣🤣🤣 😂🤣

I just have visions of a load of serious minded psychologists sitting round a table taking all this in and sagely nodding. I wish there had been CCTV when this stuff was being mooted

Datun · 20/01/2021 17:00

@highame

Honestly I've never read such a pile of wank in all my life. You've been on these boards for a very long time Datun so that statement is clearly false 🤣🤣🤣 😂🤣

I just have visions of a load of serious minded psychologists sitting round a table taking all this in and sagely nodding. I wish there had been CCTV when this stuff was being mooted

Well, it comes close! Yes, I have those mental images too. Do none of them go home and say to their partner, crikey, you'll never guess what I heard today!
MoleSmokes · 21/01/2021 05:58

Great video on Graham Lineman’s YouTube Channel @Glinner

”The Mess We’re In Ep. #31: Shelley Charlesworth”
20 Jan 2021

Video description

We speak to Shelley Charlesworth on ideological capture of the NHS, the RCGP, and the British Psychological Society

Read Shelley's exposé here:

www.transgendertrend.com/product/captured-the-full-story-behind-the-memorandum-of-understanding-on-conversion-therapy/

Join Graham's substack! grahamlinehan.substack.com

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MoleSmokes · 21/01/2021 06:26

Something that bears highlighting, given well-publicised scandals over the last couple of years in the UK. In that video, this is the point at which the discussion turns to the capture of trans activism itself by professional experts in BDSM, kink and queerdom, followed by Arty Morty’s comparison with how the Gay Rights movement in the 70’s recognised and ousted dangerous, influential paedophiles:

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2021 14:27

I've just read the report this morning. Gobsmacked doesn't even come close. What really made me sit up right at the start was the revelation that the British Psychological Society is campaigning for psychologists to be given the right to prescribe drugs. This is absolutely horrific. Correct me if I am wrong, but the position in the UK currently is:

  1. Drugs can be prescribed only by medically qualified doctor with up to date GMC registration. Medical education covers anatomy, physiology, biochemistry, pharmacology and probably all sorts of other ologies. Doctors should know the physical effects of anything they are going to prescribe. They should know how to get a case history from a patient to make sure there are no contra-indications to prescribing a particular drug in a given case, and how to examine a patient to find out more about their state of health. All psychiatrists are qualified doctors and a large part of their specialist training covers psychiatric drugs and their side effects. All psychiatrists should (in practice they often aren't, I believe, but they should) be keeping an eye on their patient's physical health as well as mental health, because it is well understood that people with mental health problems are particularly likely to have poor physical health too and are less likely to seek medical advice.
  1. Nurses can in some extremely limited circumstances prescribe drugs too. They have to be qualified, registered nurses who've gone through extensive postgraduate training specific to this role, and their prescribing is closely controlled and monitored. A nursing degree includes nothing like as much anatomy etc as a medical degree but there will be some.

Now, psychology degrees are right on the boundary between pure science and social science. They cover aspects of neuroscience, but they don't cover physiology as standard, as far as I understand. There has always been a tension between clinical psychologists and psychiatrists because the former believe psychiatrists rely too heavily on doling out pills and not enough on therapy. But now the BPS is campaigning to have their members given the power to dole out puberty blockers and cross-hormones! This is a power that GPs have been extremely reluctant to use because they know they don't have the expert knowledge. What on earth makes the BPS think their members are qualified to dish out these powerful drugs?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/01/2021 14:31

Oh, and I forgot to say that as far as I understand it psychiatrists don't prescribe puberty blockers either. They would refer a child or adolescent to an endocrinologist, as hormones are their specialist area.

Do psychiatrists prescribe cross-hormones to adults, or do they also go to an endocrinologist?

MoleSmokes · 25/01/2021 04:18

There are other Health Care Professionals who can prescribe medication. I actually thought that the list was rather longer than this:

"Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee - Who can prescribe what?"

Different types of prescribers hold different prescribing rights. It is important for pharmacy contractors to be able to identify which products each type of prescriber is entitled to prescribe.

Click on a drop down option below for further information of the prescribing rights for different types of prescriber:

  • Doctors
  • Pharmacist independent prescribers
  • Physiotherapists independent prescribers
  • Chiropodists/Podiatrists independent prescribers
  • Dentists
  • Nurse independent prescribers
  • Independent therapeutic radiographer prescribers
  • Optometrist independent prescribers
  • Paramedic independent prescribers
  • Community practitioner nurse prescribers
  • Supplementary prescribers

See details at:
psnc.org.uk/dispensing-supply/receiving-a-prescription/who-can-prescribe-what/

The Health and Care Professions Council (HCPC) regulates "Practitioner Psychologists" along with other non-medical and non-nursing groups.

Search results for "prescribing" include standards, consultations, FOI requests, etc.

www.hcpc-uk.org/site-search/?query=prescribing

HCPC - Medicines Entitlements of our Registered Professions

Practitioner Psychologists: Supply and administration PSD

PSD = Patient-specific direction

See more at:
www.hcpc-uk.org/globalassets/about-us/what-we-do/medicines-entitlements-of-our-registered-professions.pdf

HCPC Medicine Entitlements

Laws control the sale, supply, administration and prescribing of medicines

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is responsible for regulating medicines, medical devices and blood components for transfusion in the UK.

Registrants must follow the law relevant to their practice, including keeping within the medicines entitlements for their profession.

Sale, supply and administration

Local arrangements can be made to allow health and care professionals who are not prescribers to supply or administer medicines.

The different methods or “mechanisms” that enable this are:

- Patient specific directions (PSDs)
- Patient group directions (PGDs)
- Legal exemptions

These mechanisms are not the same as prescribing.

Registrants must have the proper skills, knowledge and experience before acting under any mechanism and should follow policies set by their employer.

What is a Patient Specific Direction - PSD? (PSDs are relevant to Practitioner Psychologists)

A PSD is a written and signed instruction, given by a a doctor, dentist, or non-medical prescriber to another professional to supply and/or administer medicine(s) to a named person. The person must have been individually assessed by the prescriber.

This instruction may be written in a service user's notes or, in a hospital, on their medicine chart. A PSD can be for a list of named service users who have been individually assessed. A PSD for supply of medicines is a prescription form.

Who can supply or administer medicines under a PSD?

There are no legal restrictions around who can supply or administer medicines following a PSD.

What is a Patient Group Direction - PGD? (PGDs are not relevant to Practitioner Psychologists)

A PGD is a written instruction for the supply and/or administration of medicines to certain groups of patients, by certain named health professionals.

PGDs can be useful in routine care pathways such as immunisation programmes.

A PGD must be authorised by a clinical commissioning group (CCG), local authority, NHS trust or foundation trust, NHS England or Public Health England.

Who can supply or administer medicines under a PGD?

Which professions can administer medicines under a PGD is set out in law. Check the medicines entitlements of our registered professions.

Who can follow PSDs and PGDs? (applies to Practitioner Psychologists)

All of our registered professions can administer under a PSD if they have the skills, knowledge and experience to do so. Only some of our professions can administer under a PGD.

We do not annotate our Register to show that a registrant can supply or administer medicines under a PSD or PGD.

Some registrants will gain the skills, knowledge and experience to supply and / or administer medicines through their pre-registration education and training. This will be reflected in the standards of proficiency for that profession.

Registrants that are not trained in the supply and / or administration of medicines when they register with us must gain the relevant skills, knowledge and experience through continued professional development.

See more at:
www.hcpc-uk.org/about-us/what-we-do/medicine-entitlements/

HCPC Standards for Prescribing

Our standards for prescribing apply to registrants who are trained in supplementary or independent prescribing

They are set out in two parts: the standards for education providers and the standards for all prescribers

Standards for all prescribers

The HCPC has adopted ‘A Competency Framework for all Prescribers’ (the Framework) as its standards for all prescribers.

The Framework is published and maintained by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society. It is available on their website.

The competencies detailed in the Framework set out the knowledge, understanding and skills that a registrant must have when they complete their prescribing training and which they must continue to meet once in practice.

Where the Framework uses the term ‘patient’, the HCPC will use the term ‘service user’ to carry out our processes and functions.

The HCPC has adopted the Framework as published on 4 July 2016 as our standards for all prescribers.

See more at:
www.hcpc-uk.org/employers/using-our-standards/standards-for-prescribing/

HCPC Standards for prescribing - Education Providers

Our expectations of education providers delivering training in prescribing and of professionals on our Register who prescribe

See more at:
www.hcpc-uk.org/standards/standards-relevant-to-education-and-training/standards-for-prescribing/

Royal Pharmaceutical Society - Prescribing Competency Framework

The Prescribing Competency Framework for all prescribers was revised and published by the RPS in collaboration with all prescribing professions across the UK and sets out the competencies expected of all prescribers to support safe prescribing.

Originally published in 2012 by the National Prescribing Centre/National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) to support all prescribers to prescribe effectively, the RPS started the process of updating the framework with the backing of NICE and in collaboration with all the prescribing professions UK wide in 2015.

The updated single competency framework was published on our website in July 2016, for all regulators, professional bodies, prescribing professionals and Universities running prescribing programmes for independent prescribers.

NICE Accreditation

NICE has accredited the process used by the Royal Pharmaceutical Society to produce professional standards, competency frameworks and guidance. Accreditation is valid for 5 years from 17 February 2017.

See more at:
www.rpharms.com/resources/frameworks/prescribers-competency-framework

British Psychological Society (BPS)

Search results for "prescribing":

www.bps.org.uk/search/google/prescribing

NOTE:
The BPS does NOT regulate "Practitioner Psychologists" - that is the job of the HCPC.

PuttingItRight · 25/01/2021 08:18

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