Wednesday: The End of Sport for American Girls

[WootMoggie]

This screengrab is from the new presidents own web site.

I wonder how this well this is going to go down when they try to implement it.

Meet June Eastwood. For some reason (I just cannot figure out how???) they make running look easy. I fear for girl's/women's sports in the USA, the Democrats are fully signed up to this lunacy.

I'm not into sports, but I've been so angry about this.

Trans women have loads of advantages, even if they have had gender reassignment. They are taller, faster, stronger, have a longer reach, etc. Not many women could win against them, and yes, female sport as we know it will cease to exist.

People are too scared to address this now, for fear of being labelled a bigot, but the day will come when the world has to have a re-think. DH reckons it will be a high profile female boxer being killed in the ring by a trans opponent.

What strikes me about all this as well, is what on earth is going on in the minds of trans athletes when they win? Do they really go home thinking they are the Champion? Is there no self reflection at all, or any feeling that maybe they cheated? No awareness, that if they had competed against men, they wouldn't even be in the top 1000 in their sport? Are these people that self indulgent?

I can't imagine running in a race against 5 year olds, winning and then really thinking that I had won fair and square.

• Do they genuinely have that option?

• and what are the consequences if they exercise it?

(sorry - don’t know how the US works in that respect)*

It has to do with federal funding for schools. The “guidance on Title IX” means that the government can pull the per student funding they provide if they find you are violating civil rights law in the way they interpret. If “rigorously enforced” it could bankrupt a school, even some private/charter schools accept federal pell grants. The guidance is, however, a mess if you actually read it, and self contradictory. It’s like a Rorschach test for gender, you can read into it almost anything you want.

Interestingly title IX is also being used by the female runners in the CT case - they are being denied equal access to sport by virtue of sex by being forced to run against male runners.

It will be up to courts to decide what sex and gender are. The Feminist Amendments to the equality act are a great place to start to look at how gender based protections should be done in a legally comprehensible way.

Sport is not going to be the issue, it's going to be access to women's changing rooms and sadly the first assault or worse by someone who was born a man (and not had gender reassignment surgery) that will get the issue noticed

The trans "woman" who was imprisoned for rape (fully functioning penis), was placed in York prison, with female inmates. He raped 4 of them. You don't see this plastered all over the news though. You have to wonder why, because that's a monumental fuck up that's been made by someone very powerful. Heads should roll.

We already know the answer to 'how many women have to suffer rapes, assaults, harassment, injury or death before male people are willing to admit there is a problem' is always n+1.

It's terrifying, isn't it? We're seriously talking about women who will have to be seriously and publicly injured and die for there to be any hope of anyone caring about this. Male choice and happiness is worth more than the physical life of females.

I never thought I would live in a time of such profound, gleeful, overt sexism. Or that those being subjugated by an accident of birth that put them into the lifelong worth less, matters less category, would be told at the same time by those enforcing it that they may not say sex exists.

The trans "woman" who was imprisoned for rape (fully functioning penis), was placed in York prison, with female inmates. He raped 4 of them.

Can you clarify? I don't think there is a prison in York. And I'm not sure which case you're referring to - if it's Karen White, he was placed in New Hall in Wakefield. He was indeed a rapist but he didn't rape four female inmates, he sexually assaulted two of them.

I do completely agree with the general points people are making - we've seen women sexually assaulted in mixed-sex prisons and changing rooms, we've seen male-bodied people injure women in sport and win prizes in women-only competitions. If those things don't cause outrage among the general public, what will?

@CaraDuneRedux

I've said this before but I don't think sport will wake people up.

A minority will see how blatantly unfair it is - but I think they can already see how unfair it is.

The "beeee kind" lot will simply say "isn't it amazing how good trans women are at sport? Isn't it great to see them shining and really coming into their own?"

Then there's that large proportion of men who think women's sport is a bit of a joke anyway (and remember many men in positions of power within sports governing bodies think this way - Sepp Blatter, cycling England). They'll be rubbing their thighs together with glee.

Then there are the jingoistic Colonel Blimp types who're in it for the medal table. They won't care so long as "our" transwomen are better than "their" transwomen.

Nope, this is one of those points where "women don't realise how much men hate them" is really going to come home to roost.

And yup, the precise position of the boot on the neck doesn't much matter when you're the one underneath.

Maybe they'll let us have an "androgen deficient women" category in th Paralympics.

Agree with every word. People have seen plenty of evidence by now. I know quite a few who are appalled by cases like Mouncey but think that it's fair to let certain other male athletes - not going to name names - compete as women for no apparent reason other than a daintier frame than Mouncey's. It seems that women's sport as a category is based on appearance, and a skirt and lippy will get you acceptance 'as a woman' as long as you're not built like a brick shithouse.

On top of that, many men do not want to see feminine men in their sports and are more than happy to lump them in with women.
This is what we're up against. Same old sexism and bigotry disguised as compassion.

@CaraDuneRedux

This is how the "other side" see it: www.outsports.com/2020/5/28/21273259/trump-administration-connecticut-transgender-student-athlete-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit

Note the assertion (with no supporting evidence) that trans athletes have no advantage.

I fear it's far from a done deal that the Supreme Court will come down on the side of women's rights.

I bet the argument that trans athletes have no advantage is something circular like "trans girls have no advantage over girls because they are girls". The article started by stating "Female" in quotation marks, as if the very concept of females existing is objectionable

Can you clarify? I don't think there is a prison in York. And I'm not sure which case you're referring to - if it's Karen White, he was placed in New Hall in Wakefield. He was indeed a rapist but he didn't rape four female inmates, he sexually assaulted two of them

The case I was thinking of was indeed Karen White - and he assaulted 4 women.

Sadly, as I went to check, and typed in to Google "trans rapes woman in prison" multiple cases came up. What morons are allowing these intact males into women's prisons? I mean, it's fucking madness. It's like the wellbeing of a female inmate matters far less than what the male rapist wants and feelz. Since when did rapists have any say in where they serve their sentence? Who the fuck thought that was up for debate?

Since when did rapists have any say in where they serve their sentence? Who the fuck thought that was up for debate?

The current director of the NHS Gender Identity Clinic i.e. the head of so-called "gatekeeping" was one of the proponents.
Reassuring, isn't it?

@peak2021

Sport is not going to be the issue, it's going to be access to women's changing rooms and sadly the first assault or worse by someone who was born a man (and not had gender reassignment surgery) that will get the issue noticed.

The responses will be "female on female sexual violence is rare but not unknown" and "don't vilify a whole group because of one individual" and possibly "well it could have equally been a man walking through two sets of doors into the women's changing room because simply putting a sign on the door saying 'women' doesn't act like an invisible force field cos hell it was probably going to happen anyway."

And it will be impossible to prove the prevalence of offending is different because they'll be recorded as "women's crimes."

I'm a long-time lurker, just registered. This is my first post.

I'm very concerned about this issue and looked up the Joe Biden website for more detail on the policy. The page in the screen grab is not on the website - in fact there doesn't seem to be any political info at all apart from his post election speech and links to Inauguration Day merchandise.

Pink News is sounding rather uncertain about delivery of the LGBQT agenda:
www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/joe-biden-equality-act-first-100-days-donald-trump-impeachment/

May be cause for cautious optimism?

It's like the wellbeing of a female inmate matters far less than what the male rapist wants and feelz. Since when did rapists have any say in where they serve their sentence?

It does, in itself, belie the whole TWAW reason doesn't it? Women aren't lucky enough to be treated like this. There's two very distinct groups here, and clear expectation they should be treated very differently indeed, while at the same time giving the reason for major disadvantage to one group that the two groups are one, the same and indistinguishable. The reason for the difference in treatment between the two groups is sex based.

There's no logic anywhere in this, it's just a whole lot of sexism.

I posted this before on another thread and it got deleted, but I will try to phrase it in a way that pleases the censors.

All this; kids being experimented on, safeguarding for women and children going out the window in multiple areas, science denial, the war on free speech, and every other bit of lunacy no one in a million years ever dreamed they'd see happen, is to back up one lie; that a *man can be a women.

That kind of power in society is almost beyond the imagination of most women, we can't even convince society that killing us is bad.

*a very privilaged man at that, because if anyone thinks all this is to help prostituted men in third world countries, then I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

This is our world now?

Honestly I think this has always been our world to a degree. Think of all the health & safety regulations written in blood. People rarely act to close loopholes or implement safety measures until something so tragic and so extreme happens that it can't be ignored any longer. Blind eyes will be turned on all this until it's pushed to the very limits of extreme. All the things you mentioned should be enough but clearly they aren't.

@dryroastcumin

I'm a long-time lurker, just registered. This is my first post.

I'm very concerned about this issue and looked up the Joe Biden website for more detail on the policy. The page in the screen grab is not on the website - in fact there doesn't seem to be any political info at all apart from his post election speech and links to Inauguration Day merchandise.

Pink News is sounding rather uncertain about delivery of the LGBQT agenda:
www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/01/14/joe-biden-equality-act-first-100-days-donald-trump-impeachment/

May be cause for cautious optimism?

I also saw a post in the comments of a Posy Parker youtube video that was saying Biden has quietly (and recently) dropped his commitment to ending womens rights.

Is it too much to hope he is rowing back?

It was definitely on his page either pre or just post election because I remember screen grabbing also. I did read elsewhere over the weekend that they don't think the Equality Act is feasible in the first 100 days. Now that could just be because other things such as Covid are more pressing. We'll get a better idea if he signs the EO about sports and locker rooms or not - at one time he was saying he would do that in his first day in office.

I never thought I would live in a time of such profound, gleeful, overt sexism. Or that those being subjugated by an accident of birth that put them into the lifelong worth less, matters less category, would be told at the same time by those enforcing it that they may not say sex exists

Me neither. It looks dystopian when you lay it out like that.

The path to Gilead could be just as easily paved by the left.

The path to Gilead could be just as easily paved by the left.

Via a slight shift in the boot on the neck. The left pisses normal middle-of-the-road voters off so much that they vote for Trump Mark II, only Trump Mark II turns out not only to be evil, but to be competently, intelligently and efficiently evil, and brings about Gilead.

The thing that stopped America going completely to pot under Trump was, ultimately, that the golf course at Mar a Lago was more enticing to him than putting in the hard graft to undermine the constitution and put an authoritarian regime in place.

The Washington Post 11/1/2021

'Biden’s ambitious LGBT agenda poises him to be nation’s most pro-equality president in history'

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/11/biden-lgbtq-policies/

'...Joe Biden became a fast friend of the LGBTQ community as vice president in 2012 by stating his support for same-sex marriage in a television interview even before his boss, President Barack Obama, did.

That same year, outside an Obama-Biden campaign office in Florida, it was Biden’s unexpected support for the transgender community that elevated his status from an LGBTQ ally to a champion. When the mother of a Miss Trans New England pageant winner asked Biden if he would help transgender people, she later told reporters, Biden whispered that it was the “civil rights issue of our time.” .....

..... 'When he left the vice presidency, Biden partnered with other advocates to start the As You Are campaign to advocate for families’ acceptance of their transgender children, which “dramatically improves their child’s self-esteem and decreases the likelihood they will experience depression or suicidal ideation,” the Biden Foundation was cited as saying in a 2019 announcement.'

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'..... he could face his most laborious hurdle in passing the Equality Act, a package of measures that protect against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation that was passed by the House in 2019 but blocked by the Republican-led Senate.

That act — which Biden has pledged to make a policy priority during his first 100 days in office — has been a cornerstone of the community’s fight for equal rights in housing and employment since it was first discussed after the Stonewall riots in 1969.'

'If Republicans retain control of the Senate, the legislation’s passage will remain unpredictable. Some Republicans have instead backed the Fairness for All Act, which provides some LGBTQ protections while also granting certain exceptions for religious institutions and organizations.

Much of the battle over LGBTQ rights has been happening in statehouses, where those issues have been lightning rods in the nation’s culture war. This has kept policy debates about restroom access and puberty blockers largely beyond the reach of the federal government, but the rhetoric coming out of the White House does have influence, said Drew Anderson, a longtime LGBTQ advocate who used to work with GLAAD.'

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'....Biden has credited his passion for LGBTQ issues to his late son Beau Biden’s close friendship with Sarah McBride, who is transgender.

McBride worked on Beau Biden’s reelection campaign for attorney general in Delaware, where they later collaborated to pass protections for transgender people in housing, health insurance and employment.'

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