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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Kathleen Stock in Mail on Sunday: I refuse to be bullied into silence

12 replies

Malahaha · 17/01/2021 12:40

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9155659/I-refuse-bullied-silence-PROFESSOR-KATHLEEN-STOCK.html

Lots of very supportive comments too.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 17/01/2021 12:54

This has to end, it's macarthyism.

Smacks of elite classes dictating how working class people live their lives. they won't ever end up in a prison or a hostel. They won't care that it's secondary school girls putting up with boys in their loos and their sport.

highame · 17/01/2021 13:11

There is another thread on this. The article was also in the Daily Mail. Have suggested writing a supportive letter to Dr Stock. The nice thing about a postal delivery is that everyone becomes aware and her university need to know she has support. I'm using this address

Dr Kathleen Stock OBE
Professor of Philosophy
University of Sussex
Sussex House
Falmer
Brighton BN1 9RH

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/01/2021 13:21

@highame

There is another thread on this. The article was also in the Daily Mail. Have suggested writing a supportive letter to Dr Stock. The nice thing about a postal delivery is that everyone becomes aware and her university need to know she has support. I'm using this address

Dr Kathleen Stock OBE
Professor of Philosophy
University of Sussex
Sussex House
Falmer
Brighton BN1 9RH

That's a great idea highame.
NotTerfNorCis · 17/01/2021 15:14

Only a month ago, I had an invitation withdrawn from an international conference series because a fellow speaker claimed my presence (on Zoom, in a different session, to be given in a different month) made her feel unsafe.

It seems incredible that TRAs are so afraid of feminists that they won't appear in a Zoom session in a different month to a feminist, yet at the same time TRAs are so aggressive:

I was shocked when the campus security manager advised me about the emergency phone system and arranged to have a spyhole put in my door.

When, at a later graduation event, I was taken aside by security and told the quickest way to get off the stage in an emergency, I was no longer shocked – the experience had become commonplace.

Almost like gaslighting is going on.

crumpet · 17/01/2021 15:18

I am so grateful for what she (and of course others) has done to shed a light on these issues, and for her refusal to back down, at considerable personal cost.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 17/01/2021 15:25

It would be good, also, if the press exposed the cowardly bullies who hanged up and write the open letter protesting her OBE.

Free speech of course, they have a right to their opinion, but ganging you and making presumptuous aspersions as to why she got it, and accusations of transphobia are nothing short of nasty bullying.

Our children are being taught be these pathetic intellectually lightweight , deluded people. Many of them MEN deciding what women ought not to be allowed to say.

MingeofDeath · 17/01/2021 15:47

One of the comments umder the article mentioned something about a Netflix documentary. Does anyone know anything about this?

Pudmyboy · 17/01/2021 21:00

I am astonished by this notion of feeling 'unsafe', in the context it seems to be currently used in academia and publishing etc; does anyone remember the self-help books of the '90s which were often about challenging yourself to move out of your comfort zone? (The classic is 'Feel the fear and do it anyway' by Suzanne Jeffers). It seems now if people feel unsafe their role model is Mrs Dilber in Scrooge: when Alastair Sim emerges as a reformed character and expresses a desire to stand on his head, she throws her pinnie over her head and runs yelling from the room. (This is the mental image I often have when people in academia say they feel unsafe because someone has a different opinion to them.)

ChattyLion · 17/01/2021 21:41

I’ve stopped attending philosophy conferences as I can’t cope with the ostracism and dirty looks. I walk around my own workplace at the University of Sussex with a sense of dread.

This is just one awful detail within the whole abusive picture- as an academic if you permanently can’t go to conferences that’s a major part of exposure and personal contribution to academic discussion and networking, collaborative opportunities all taken away. All of the harassment she has been put under at work is disgusting. I’m very happy she got given her OBE and appreciate her perseverance on free speech very much. I’m very happy she’s also talking about the threat to democracy all this poses beyond academia because that is spot on.

I don’t agree with her on GRA because I can’t see the difference between what she’s saying about ‘gender identity’ being any different, but I’m interested to read what she says about it.

My tip on writing to support her is to do it on a postcard so that other people in the organisation can also read it Smile

NotTerfNorCis · 17/01/2021 22:16

What gets me is that TRAs claim to be so oppressed and fearful, pathologically so, yet they're powerful enough to put dissenters in a situation where they need security cameras and 'walk around their own workplaces with a sense of dread'.

Powerful enough in fact that the legislation is going their way, the police arrest anyone who offends them, corporations invite in the likes of Global Butterflies to train staff, and schools teach genderism as though it's proven fact. Powerful enough to suppress any academic research that might not support their ideology.

That's hardly 'oppressed' or 'marginalised'.

TowandaForever · 17/01/2021 22:20

I thought it was a really good article.

NotTerfNorCis · 17/01/2021 22:40

By the way, I mean gender activists not trans people. Many trans people are not keen on the new gender ideology.

This is kind of the point, though. We have to choose our words very carefully. Other people, not so much.

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