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Nasty admission from Dustin Hoffman (not really news, but...)

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beatrice14 · 14/01/2021 09:44

Longtime lurker. I've wanted to post for a while but I feel like a fraud because I'm only just 15. Hardly Mumsnet's intended demographic!
I really love reading Feminism Chat, you mumsnetters out there have taught me an awful lot. (and it can be hilarious)
This isn't really news, but it shocked me, I really posted this because I can't believe Dustin Hoffman could SAY this in a interview, and apparently nobody thought it was wrong, back then. I mean, it was in Playboy in 2004, way before the Me Too movement took him down, but still..
Playboy asked him how he lost his virginity and this is what he said-
PLAYBOY: Let’s talk about sex. How did you lose your virginity?
HOFFMAN: My parents went to Las Vegas one New Year’s Eve weekend, and my brother Ronny threw a party. I loved that he let me be part of it—I was 15, and he’s seven years older. I cooked steaks. It was one or two in the morning, and I saw a line of guys standing outside a bedroom door. They said, “Do you want to go next?” “What do you mean?” “Barbara’s in there.” I had met Barbara, a beautiful older woman, about 20. She was what in those days we called a nymphomaniac, which is not a word you hear anymore. She was servicing these guys, one after the other. I had never been laid, and I couldn’t believe my good fortune. I went in. It was dark, and she said, “Is that you, Ronny?” I said yes, lying for fear that she’d reject me. I wasn’t old enough to drive a car, so I thought maybe I wasn’t old enough to drive a woman. I remember whistling because I wanted to appear relaxed as I was taking off my clothes. It was wonderful. I came quickly and kept humping and humping. I thought, Is that all there is? I kept waiting for the next fireworks. The humping went on for about 20 minutes until somebody opened the door. It was just like a movie: A shaft of light was thrown from the hallway onto my face, and she screamed because I wasn’t my brother.
PLAYBOY: Were you traumatized? Was she? Have you recovered?
HOFFMAN: She was shocked just because I wasn’t my brother. I jumped off her, stark naked, and left the room. I was kind of shocked and dizzy. I wound up in the living room, and guys were sitting around having beer and talking, and I was naked. This may have been the beginning of my acting career without my knowing it, because they stood up and applauded, and I liked the applause. What was disturbing about it was that I couldn’t get laid again for another two years.

So basically , dear Dustin admits to raping her by deception, and he says this, in an interview, and nobody back then thought it was rape..

Datalounge called it out though, -
but poor Barbara, she's had to live with that all this time.
What a wanker.

I actually can't believe this, found it on Datalounge, and I've checked , it seems to be genuine

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Jobsharenightmare · 14/01/2021 17:59

I'm so upset to read this. I can't believe it. How awful.

TracyG82 · 14/01/2021 18:25

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PlanDeRaccordement · 14/01/2021 18:55

@RoyalCorgi

Dustin Hoffman would have grown up socialised by a society who thought it was not rape.

And in 2009, he still thought it was a funny story.

I thought the story was from 2004. Besides Playboy asked how he lost his virginity, and he told them. It’s not like he was asked “what the funniest sexual encounter you’ve had” and he trotted this gem out.

He didn’t know he was raping by deception, because it wasn’t legally or even socially considered that at the time in 1952, also not sure whether even today he’d be held accountable as a minor below the age of consent? She also didn’t know she was technically committing statutory rape of him because he lied about who he was, so she thought he was his brother and of age.

CodenameVillanelle · 14/01/2021 19:00

@TracyG82

Nah dont believe.from meet the fockers?
Does his acting career mean he's less likely to sexually assault women?
beatrice14 · 14/01/2021 19:06

Plan De Raccordment

No, the Playboy link I osted earlier says 2009.

I accept he didn't know it was illegal, but he knew that she was consenting to his brother, not to him. And afterwards, he didn't seem sorry for upsetting her. And all the other men clapped! I mean, he obviously didn't recount the story with regret, all that time later in 2009, like Royal Corgi said.
Of course, it might all be bs. I really hope so, but even so...

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PlanDeRaccordement · 14/01/2021 19:30

I don’t think it’s BS. It’s probably true. Most of these laws come about because of fucked up situations like that where you may not know it’s wrong, but you have to know it isn’t normal. It’s not the usual way for a 15yo boy to lose his virginity. So over time society has come to set minimum age for consent, and also better define what is consent to sex.

I also think it’s awful he had no regret in 2009. Rape by deception was criminalised where he lived when doing the interview (California) in 2013, so by then he should have at least had some inkling what he did was wrong. Maybe he has regret now?

This all reminds me of the Sean Connery discussion we had about smacking women. He didn’t regret or change his opinion that it was sometimes alright to smack a woman as discipline until 2012.

I think that whole generation of men are truly dinosaurs in a way. Society has progressed but their minds are hardwired with old ways of thinking.

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MrsRockAndRoll · 17/01/2021 09:50

Disgusting

beatrice14 · 19/01/2021 15:23

I guess I was less suprised about what he did, since it's known that he's a metoo offender, than the way he just said it like that in an interview. Not that long ago . I suppose Playboy's hardly a feminist magazine, but the way he just came out with it like it was completely fine ... was just horrible.

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HappyAsASandboy · 19/01/2021 15:33

The daily Mail reported a load of stuff in 2017 too.

I personally don't think you get this much smoke without fire Sad

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5189173/amp/Is-Dustin-Hoffman-sex-predator.html

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