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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

TUC survey

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BraveBananaBadge · 08/01/2021 22:20

From a TUC survey doing the rounds tonight. Interesting wording... Might as well just give the options ‘boy mode’ and ‘girl mode’ for all the use it is though.

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dyslek · 08/01/2021 22:24

They forgot the 'oh do fuckoff with this shit' option.

HecatesCats · 08/01/2021 22:29

I selected 'in another way' because today I've mostly been thinking of myself as the living dead. But hey, at least it's Friday Wine

OwenJonesCleaner · 09/01/2021 12:13

how will this help identify people at risk of unfair dismissal if they become pregnant? It's so vague as to be utterly useless.

ArabellaScott · 09/01/2021 13:53

I think of myself as a shimmering mirage of formless beauty, tenderness and soul.

sultanasofa · 09/01/2021 18:15

I don't find that wording too offensive - I do think of myself as female (of course! I am female!).

It's better than' how do you self-identify'? I recently applied for a women-only opportunity at work. I had to tick a box to say I self-identified as a women. If I hadn't, I wouldn't have been able to take the application any further. I ticked the box through gritted teeth. If I am successful, I'll provide feedback that the application process excludes women who don't such an identity.

McDuffy · 09/01/2021 18:19

I went back a couple of pages and put in the comments section that I didn't ID as female but they should collect sex-based information and this question undermined it 🙄

NecessaryScene1 · 09/01/2021 18:44

It at least doesn't maintain the pretense that these were somehow necessarily "either-or" alternatives or describing the same thing. It's a question that isn't inherently nonsensical. Which is something quite rare these days!

You could equally well have the same question "Which of the following best describes how you think of yourself?" with the options being "tall, short, male, female, dark, blonde, British, foreign, Mumsnetter, in another way, prefer not to say".

Which is all very well if interested in how people think of themselves for some reason, but also actually recording sex would probably be more useful for practical purposes, like monitoring sex inequalities.

I'd hope most people would put "in another way" unless they (mis?) interpret it as a "sex" question due to the first two options.

It would be less restrictive to drop the "best" and do "tick as many as apply" for this sort of question, but then I suspect they're trying to trick people into answering it as if it was a sex question, and that would break the illusion.

BraveBananaBadge · 10/01/2021 01:14

Like how you put it Necessary, that it ‘isn’t inherently nonsensical’ is the best we can hope for these days! In the context of an informal conversation it’s fine. In the case of analysing data it’s useless.

There was no comment box for anything after that question, didn’t think to go back and use the previous one McDuffy, wish I had.

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McDuffy · 10/01/2021 07:35

It just fucks me off so much now that if there's any box to complain, I'll find it.

I have a pretty cool job that lots of people would love to do/be interested in, and I applied to be a mentor with my Russell Group university's scheme. They asked a ridiculous question about pronouns and gave about ten options. I found a free text box on an unrelated question and asked how my pronouns were relevant as I'd be liaising with the student 1:1. Funnily enough I've not been assigned a student for this round Hmm I'll take it further if I'm not allocated one in the next round.

DaisiesandButtercups · 10/01/2021 08:11

The covid test consent form (online) for our local secondary school asks for gender and the three options are male, female, non binary. There is no prefer not to say. The form is external I believe so I don’t think the school can change it.

I don’t know what gender belief has to do with a covid test.

I am not happy about declaring a gender identity for DC 12.

This belief is being imposed on us like it or not. There seems to be no opt out, neither on online forms nor in real life. We are forced to “identify” and forced into upholding the ideology.

WhereAreWeNow · 10/01/2021 09:12

I worry that some woke researcher analysing the responses will come to the conclusion that lots of people selecting "in another way" means there are far more pangender, demi girl, aromantic, unicorns experiencing discrimination than previously thought.

DaisiesandButtercups · 10/01/2021 11:09

In my opinion if they want to ask the question about gender it should be optional to answer it and the form should submit when no answer is given to the gender question. It is the only way to keep the genderists happy without imposing gender on the rest of the population.

Maybe they ask gender identity and sex separately both being optional. People can then choose whichever they feel is important.

Really though we need an acknowledgment that gender identity is a belief, carries the same relevance as belief and like other beliefs does not apply to everyone.

dyslek · 10/01/2021 11:23

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