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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

GC New Years Resolution - Stonewall

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UppityPuppity · 01/01/2021 12:01

Happy New Year All.

Interesting article by the fab J Bartosh re the role of Stonewall in decimating women’s rights in the UK. ‘The next step is pulling down Stonewall’

4w.pub/the-fall-of-stonewall/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

My New Years resolution is to complain about the inclusion of Stonewall wherever I see it - local NHS trust champion / local authority /police constabulary etc.

I am openly GC IRL and at work - and I will complain about Stonewall inspired policies when I see them - ( I have complained at work previously - keeping strictly to the law and it went ok - I realise not everyone can do this)

Whilst departments seem to be captured, I think the public is waking up to their malevolence.

Any other ideas?

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gardenbird48 · 01/01/2021 12:37

That sounds like a great plan. I am getting into the swing of writing letters to organisations about this.

One aspect where I would like to improve my understanding is what work/consideration is given by the Stonewall training to the impact their ‘Equality and Inclusion’ training (if it only focuses on Sexual Orientation and Gender Reassignment) has on all of the protected characteristics or does it include all the pcs?

I’m trying work out whether Stonewall are claiming to provide the E&I training for just the pcs SO/GR for organisations in which case it is the responsibility of the org to deal with the other pcs and identify the areas of conflict or does buying the Stonewall training supposedly cover ALL of an organisation’s D&I obligations in which case what consideration do Stonewall have for Disability,Race, Religious Beliefs etc?

Does anyone have any direct corporate experience of the extent of the Stonewall training (sorry if this is a bit garbled I’m rushing)

teawamutu · 01/01/2021 12:38

Great idea - I'm in.

Thelnebriati · 01/01/2021 12:40

This year I will continue to stand up for;

  • The Equality Act.
  • for the definition of 'women' and our existence as a discrete class that has specific needs and rights.
  • for 'sex' to be used not 'gender' (its meaningless and has no legal definition).

I will challenge;

  • Erasing women, e.g. from legislation, campaigns or news articles that are about women.
  • 'getting ahead of the law'. Its breaking the law, and its actually an offence to persuade or coerce people to contravene The Equality Act.
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/111
SunsetBeetch · 01/01/2021 13:07

I'm definitely up for this. Stonewall has lost its way and is now actively damaging to women and gay and bi people of both sexes.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 01/01/2021 13:45

This is a great article. How did Stonewall find itself actively campaigning against womens rights? Arcus foundation - yup follow the money.

AvocadoBathroom · 01/01/2021 13:58

We need a handy reference list and template of why Stonewall is so problematic cross referencing recent court judgements etc.

gardenbird48 · 01/01/2021 16:29

I've just had a look at the outline of the Stonewall Diversity Champion programme and understandably it focuses on LGBTQ, so covering the protected characteristics of Sexual Orientation and Gender Reassignment in theory.

However, as a company this would leave a challenge as some of the changes recommended would lead to direct conflict with some other of the p.c. s so in a responsible company there would need to be another layer where someone is overseeing all of the Diversity and Inclusion policies and resolving the obvious conflicts.

As an organisation paying for this training/policy advice, I would be a bit narky if following that training/advice meant that:
a) I would be leaving myself open for discrimination claims from people who have other protected characteristics eg. Religious beliefs or Sex
b) I would have to pay someone to 'correct' said policies/training to ensure we are compliant with the actual law. I guess this is where the EHRC should have been doing their job.

The question is, how long will it be before companies realise that they have 'bought a dud'? Maybe we should start by sending some copies of the actual law to some companies and point out that they may be in breach by not fulfilling their responsibilities to ALL of the protected characteristics?

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