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Who did JK Rowling become?

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BraveBananaBadge · 23/12/2020 07:59

A long read in New York magazine about what made JKR such a meanie. Surprisingly in-depth and not quite so much about the feelz, but you know a man would never, ever get this treatment.

I was pleasantly surprised by the comments section, especially for an American publication. Plenty of people seeing it for what it is and asking logical questions (read it last night, so hope they’re still there...)

www.thecut.com/article/who-did-j-k-rowling-become.html?fbclid=IwAR1PB4xuZKKgJHZA5jqQng-oaukuWPhLGcx5uindUO6aL4EiSI3fUc4iiCA

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WarOnWomen · 23/12/2020 14:24

I've just read the Twitter feed for Molly Fischer, the writer. I wish I hadn't bothered. One response says please turn off comments as "terfs" comments are triggering them. And another Aussie TW says "she's a significant part of the reason I'm now afraid of public restrooms, and this is in Australia where the debate isn't even really that big of an issue."

Oh please. HmmAngry

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 23/12/2020 14:43

@andyoldlabour

Here is a fine example of the lack of empathy towards women from TRA's. One woman in the comments section says this:

"But where else can we talk about these things? I had an experience last year in my gym's locker room, where I entered, what appeared to be a naked man with a penis was there, and I was uncomfortable."

The first reply is this:

"I'm sorry, but in this situation you feeling uncomfortable is less important than the trans woman in your locker room not having to face possible assault, rape, or death if she went into the men's locker room. At least 41 transgender people have been murdered this year. no transgender people have attacked anyone in a locker room or a bathroom."

Just about sums the whole thing up. We know where women are positioned in this hierarchy.
yourhairiswinterfire · 23/12/2020 14:48

One response says please turn off comments as "terfs" comments are triggering them.

Lol. Translation: Shit, the tide is turning. Turn the comments off quick before more people are peaked by seeing people talking sense.

BraveBananaBadge · 23/12/2020 14:58

Not to mention the comment from the person who thinks that seeing a penis on a person in a women’s changing room is no different to seeing a baby boy’s when changing a nappy, which is so concerning it’s hard to know where to start...

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TheChampagneGalop · 23/12/2020 15:18

That article was a serious case of TLDR.
Who did JK Rowling become?
An excellent and brave woman I'd say.
Or a radical feminist witch perhaps. Which sounds kind of cool Wink

vesuvia · 23/12/2020 16:39

Quotation from the article in the OP: "The divide here between mainstream British feminists and their American counterparts is striking: American opponents of trans rights tend to be right wing. The difference reflects, perhaps, the relative insularity and homogeneity of British feminism."

Insularity of British feminism? British gender-critical feminism is standing firm against transgenderism ideology, which is a dystopian misogynistic threat to women's rights. If that is insular, I'll take it instead of the alternative (which is woke centring of male people at the expense of women and girls).

British gender critical-feminism is providing resources, which are useful and inspiring to gender critical feminists across the world.

If Mumsnet FWR wasn't helping to resist the erosion of women's rights by transgender ideology activists, then those activists would ignore us.

PotholeParadies · 23/12/2020 16:56

I took that line as a tacit acknowledgement that British feminists weren't right-wing, but left-wing. Grin

RoyalCorgi · 23/12/2020 16:59

The difference reflects, perhaps, the relative insularity and homogeneity of British feminism

I suggest a rephrase: "The difference reflects the superior intelligence, spirit, non-conformity and organisational skills of British feminism."

ArabellaScott · 23/12/2020 17:25

The divide here between mainstream British feminists and their American counterparts is striking: American opponents of trans rights tend to be right wing. The difference reflects, perhaps, the relative insularity and homogeneity of British feminism

Bit of a non-sequitur, isn't it? We seem to be watching the writer following their logic as far as it takes them to a place where they know they shalt not tread and then swerving off, with relief, into a nice reassuring disparagement of British feminism. Grin You can see the gears grinding, sometimes. Cognitive dissonance, ahoy!

Thewithesarehere · 23/12/2020 17:44

They are losing this war and they know it. I have seen the tone changing so significantly in the last few months. The smell of desperation.

VulvaPerson · 23/12/2020 17:46

@Ereshkigalangcleg

In Rowling’s world, for example, gender was an essential, immutable fact, and it had been that way from her first flicker of inspiration. “From the word go, it was a boy,” she has said of imagining her protagonist. “I never thought, Oh, maybe it’s a girl. Never once. It was always a boy.” Yet Rowling also invented the character Nymphadora Tonks (known as Tonks) a “Metamorphmagus” able to change shape at will. Klink remembers writing “the queerest fanfic I’ve ever written” about Tonks turning into a man. Since then, Klink has come out as nonbinary. “I loved Tonks and for a lot of other people who are nonbinary, Tonks was a big deal,” they told me. But “when you look back on Tonks, Tonks never changes into a guy. Tonks never changes into anything but different kinds of girl.”

This is so ridiculous I don't have any words.

Ah, but we did have Hermoine turn into a cat, so JK clearly supports transhuman people, who are more oppressed than any other trans-X group as noone understands them :(
AsTreesWalking · 23/12/2020 17:47

'She did in fact believe the trans-rights movement was “doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode ‘woman’ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it.”'
Well, yuh! I don't really understand how this is an argument against JK's position.
The whole 'what a meany to complain about people trampling over her IP' is just a rehash of Dickens' fight for his copyright with Americans- plus ca change...

AvocadoBathroom · 23/12/2020 18:32

JKR became a light shining with brilliance on the covert child abuse that has been occurring unchecked for far too long. F×ck this writer and her ridiculous handmaiden journalism. Sick of it already.

TartrazineCustard · 23/12/2020 18:43

@PotholeParadies

I took that line as a tacit acknowledgement that British feminists weren't right-wing, but left-wing. Grin
And to no-one's surprise, an American writer is have trouble recognising their own sense of imperial cultural superiority even when it's staring them right in the face.
HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 23/12/2020 19:42

@AsTreesWalking

'She did in fact believe the trans-rights movement was “doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode ‘woman’ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it.”' Well, yuh! I don't really understand how this is an argument against JK's position. The whole 'what a meany to complain about people trampling over her IP' is just a rehash of Dickens' fight for his copyright with Americans- plus ca change...
Y, Y, way to underscore her point
nachthexe · 23/12/2020 20:07

I didn’t read it because I have the rage today, but who was the crazy sandwich boarded canadian?

ApplejackCriesOnTheInside · 23/12/2020 20:23

Insular is American feminists who have achieved precisely nothing since Roe Vs Wade (and are in danger of losing that) thinking they're some sort of gold standard to aspire to.

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nachthexe · 23/12/2020 21:22

Oh the billboard. Yeah. I was racking my brain for a sandwich board and not getting anywhere. Man is a narcissistic prick with a massive case of misogynistic rage.
Thank you!

nachthexe · 23/12/2020 21:25
PotholeParadies · 23/12/2020 21:31

Never met him or interacted with him. So I have no idea, but that analysis only solidifies my belief that they should not have interfered with his billboard!

Wasn't someone who was going to take them messing with his stuff well, then.

MoltenLasagne · 23/12/2020 22:00

I have yet to read an American rebuttal of UK gender critical feminism that isn't replete with casual xenophobia.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/12/2020 00:59

I took that line as a tacit acknowledgement that British feminists weren't right-wing, but left-wing.

It was. Grudgingly and with bad grace.

Stellwagen · 24/12/2020 01:29

"The divide here between mainstream British feminists and their American counterparts is striking: American opponents of trans rights tend to be right wing. The difference reflects, perhaps, the relative insularity and homogeneity of British feminism..."
The author is speaking to American leftist feminists here. Right wing is code for bigots. So if they find themselves agreeing with JK Rowling, they need stop that right now!

PheasantPlucker1 · 24/12/2020 02:12

I tried to read that.
I really fucking did.

But my god what a load of absolute shite!