Reuters: Crowdfunding is being used to bully trans people.

[yourhairiswinterfire]

www.reuters.com/article/britain-lgbt-tech/investigation-crowdfunding-drives-wave-of-uk-lawsuits-over-trans-rights-idUSL8N2HK93O

Anyone seen this? It reads like a massive sulk that we have the nerve to raise funds to take legal action to protect our rights and to protect children. But of course, we're not doing it to protect our rights, we're doing it to deliberately 'push back transgender rights'. 🙄 Sure, dear.

This bit got me: “It certainly feels like there (are) deeper pockets for those challenging our rights than those trying to protect our rights,” said Barker, an academic at the University of Oxford who is trans and also runs an LGBT+ youth group.

Erm, Stonewall, anyone? A trans group in Scotland allowed to use taxpayers money to undermine women's rights, whilst ForWomenScot are having to crowdfund to defend them? Piss off.

And of course, you can't have an article about women's rights and trans rights without throwing the suicide shit in:

Parents of trans pupils said campaigns and lawsuits seeking to block support for their children could put lives at risk in a minority with high rates of depression, self-harm and suicide.

Yeah, that £10 you donated to Maya? Literal murder.

Give me strength.

Since mid-2017, more than 800,000 pounds has been raised via about 27,500 donations to fund about 16 trans-focused legal cases on CrowdJustice

Doesn't the money come from Right Wing organisations in the US? Or does that narrative not work with the version that Reuters are pushing today? This is shameful.

Note that the explicit reference to the Keira Bell case is towards the end of the article under the heading "TOILETS AND CHANGING ROOMS".

The last section of the article focuses on:

Michelle’s son, who came out as trans aged 12 in 2017, was almost goaded into jumping off a roof at school, she said, after being bullied online by other pupils.

Is this the same Thomson Reuters Foundation which was connected to that Dentons bullshit? Why yes, I believe it is.

: “It certainly feels like there (are) deeper pockets for those challenging our rights than those trying to protect our rights,”

Errr so why the need to crowdfund, then?

KEIRA BELL ET AL WON FFS!!! What is it they dont get? It cant be mean and unkind "bullying" if on the considered opinion of the judges, the complainants are found to be RIGHT!!!

What this hack really wants to tell her readers is:
"[fund raising page] removed the page after the Thomson Reuters Foundation asked if and how it had been assessed against the company’s terms and conditions."

oooh - people's hero, see?

But on the upside, this was a timely reminder to me to check Ann Sinnott's page (google it please). She's got 9 days to raise £9k, please let's all do a little xmas digging if we can... I'm going to post a thread on it now (if one isnt there already) just to even up the old balance

Forgot to add it to the OP, but Maya has a thread on Twitter too.

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1338814856456232960

As she rightly points out, she and Allison Bailey were discrimated against. How the hell is it 'bullying' to raise money to defend themselves? This is what the law is for, this is why crowdfunding sites exist.

KEIRA BELL ET AL WON FFS!!! What is it they dont get?

Exactly. The fact she won says it all. They're just having a tantrum because women have the temerity to take action against the bullshit. They're pathetic.

What’s interesting is that Reuters News is required to be independent and free from bias. They are owned by a Trust to ensure this. I think one could make a case that this article contravenes them, if anyone felt like raising it. The contact is [email protected] .

I think that's a good idea.

As she rightly points out, she and Allison Bailey were discrimated against. How the hell is it 'bullying' to raise money to defend themselves? This is what the law is for, this is why crowdfunding sites exist.

This.

Oh I just saw Maya’s thread! She is so good!

@WorkingItOutAsIGo I presume that's why this is published by the "foundation". Seem to remember something similar with Joseph Rowntree (not in relation to womens right btw). May be mistaken

And the whining over the possibly illegal "trans toolkits" which imply girls have no rights to female only space being removed.

Who are the "trans people" being bullied?

Every GC-brought case I can think of is against an organisation. And most of them are judicial reviews, not suing.

The only case that immediately comes to mind against a trans individual is Helen Islan versus Miranda Yardley.

Did TRF mention that one?

And as someone has pointed out on this thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4037308-That-All-Women-Shortlist-case a direct Complaint from Reuters has led to Crowdfunder re All Women Shortlist which has been up for years to be taken down.

Why??????????

Anyone standing up for or evening mentioning that their rights are being stepped on - bullying.

Death threats, rape threats, removal of dignity/privacy/access for female people, forced belief, arrest for heresy - nothing to see here, that's fine!

It's honestly like a toddler sobbing that despite the fact they hit and bit their brother for breathing without permission their brother shouldn't have pulled away from them and hurt their teeth!

Yes, I have dealt with that one personally. It feels and sounds exactly the same. Just that my toddler grew out of it.

The behaviour gets less and less excusable.

So they are suggesting that crowdfunding should only be allowed for causes that are woke? That's all these fuckers can do. Silence and ban everywhere possible because god knows they haven't an argument that stands the remotest scrutiny.

Rachel Savage also wrote the response to the Keira Bell case and focusses on LGBT.

Michelle’s son uses the disabled toilet at school but Michelle says that’s not good enough because it singles Michelle’s son out?

Yet Michelle’s son has stayed on at the all girls school attended prior to coming out as a trans boy?
So presumably, there are no boys toilets or changing rooms? So it’s a straight up choice between the girls change and a solo space? So it’s either singled out or in with the girls?

And the mother is complaining about both of those options?

Surely in a completely trans-compliant world, the child would’ve become ineligible to continue at the girl’s school as soon as the child went public with a male identity?
It’s very confusing as to what many trans advocates are actually asking for, do they want to be treated as no longer their birth sex or not? No wonder the Tool Kits had to be withdrawn, it’s all so muddled.

At least feminists are very clear - single SEX spaces and services, for privacy, dignity and safety (and then extra spaces for anyone who really doesn’t want to use the one for their birth sex).

Also and in light of the IPSO report - thread on that disappeared for some reason - it is worth pointing out that IPSO mention several times that suicide stats are inaccurate and pulled up publications on that so focusing on suicide is not based on evidence and goes against the Samaritans.
One thing that piece is useful for is as directions for spadework

Michelle’s son uses the disabled toilet at school but Michelle says that’s not good enough because it singles Michelle’s son out?

Are the disabled children being singled out too? Or are they included by the provision of additional to and different from via reasonable adjustments as required by law, because otherwise they would be disadvantaged in access? The framing of this is unnecessarily dramatic, negative and misleading, and it's intentionally misleading because it's trying to achieve (and mask) an aim that stands to disadvantage other children.

Michelle's child has two options. They can select from the facilities of their sex, or from the accessible toilet if they prefer. If they are so unhappy about the stigma they perceive as disabled people having, then I'd suggest some inclusion work around their perception of disabled people alongside access to teachers' toilets, or if necessary the addition of a single room mixed sex toilet on site.

What they should not be able to do is remove single sex facilities and all options from all other children in order to suit their own personal preferred option.