Grooming gangs still at large

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news.sky.com/story/grooming-gangs-continuing-to-abuse-children-in-northern-england-victims-and-campaigners-warn-12158336

• Grooming gangs are still operating
• Police criminalising and failing victims
• A girl complained to a teacher about her abuse and was investigated for harassing the teacher
• As an adult she continued to complain and her own children were placed on the child protection register by social services
• "Sky News interviewed a mother who believed her child was being groomed by a member of the same gang. She described how he allegedly gave her 14-year-old daughter alcohol and drugs and would take her on car journeys with other men. The mother, who we will call Jane, went to the police after her daughter admitted the man had asked her for naked photographs and sent her naked pictures of himself. Jane says the police did not ask to look at her daughter's phone nor did they seize the man's phone.

She added: "I made three statements in the police station and they all got lost, none of the logs got linked together, they were all allocated to different police officers."

This is so depressing, after all this time. West Yorkshire Police again.

They say they care about the abuse of girls and women but repeatedly their actions show us otherwise. Meanwhile a complaint about misgendering has them leaping into action

West Yorkshire police need taking down and re-building. The force is beyond rotten and not fit for purpose.

This is happening across the country.

I won't say why I believe the police do nothing about this as my post would no doubt get deleted.

Can't think of a single thing to say without crossing any lines.
Can I just confirm that South Yorkshire also has this issue.

won't say why I believe the police do nothing about this as my post would no doubt get deleted

Yes

I won't say anything more than yes, I know and agree with pp. In case the thread gets deleted.

Don't be ridiculous. White women have so much more privilege than brown men, so how can they possibly be victims?

Of course, I am not serious - but many white liberals believe this, and corrupt police seize on these liberal beliefs to justify their own inaction and misogyny. And that is why the current trend of white woman privilege and "Karening" is so dangerous and pernicious, and will only lead to women being ignored even more than they already are. I say this as someone who is not white.

Agree, utterly corrupt- why aren’t W Yorkshire police being investigated?

Assistant Chief Constable Catherine Hankinson of West Yorkshire Police said: "Tackling serious sexual offences is a top priority for West Yorkshire Police."

Do they not believe this constitutes a “serious” sexual offence? Or are they just as ineffective at tackling all their other priorities?

As I understand it, these are predominantly working class and vulnerable girls. It seems there’s an attitude of ‘oh well, that’s just what happens to girls like that, what can you do’.

It reminds me of the report into institutional racism within the Metropolitan police where the attitude towards black boys becoming victim to knife crime was a similar one of ‘oh well, that’s just what happens to boys like that, what can you do?’

They don't say that though. They say the reason they don't do anything about the perpetrators is for fear they will be branded racist and community sensitivity. They don't have any worry about being branded racist when targeting certain communities about, e.g., terrorism offences. The police (as a class, NAPALT) don't give a fuck about female victims of male violence, and that's the bottom line. They may take action if a high profile, high press attention, high value woman is the victim, but ultimately, that's to cover their own arses.

I listened to this last week. This woman's story is absolutely shocking. It's a really difficult to hear, but i think it's important that we listen when these survivors are brave enough to speak

open.spotify.com/episode/2BrDrIIU1leZiM1p2KpDiF?si=FSG9xYu_SYuTIUuQ350WZA

This is still a huge problem in Sheffield and Rotherham. Nothing gets done.

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They don't say that though. They say the reason they don't do anything about the perpetrators is for fear they will be branded racist and community sensitivity. They don't have any worry about being branded racist when targeting certain communities about, e.g., terrorism offences. The police (as a class, NAPALT) don't give a fuck about female victims of male violence, and that's the bottom line. They may take action if a high profile, high press attention, high value woman is the victim, but ultimately, that's to cover their own arses.

Spot on. Sailing close to thread deletion though.

Spot on.
Sailing close to thread deletion though

I know. And this is something that needs to be talked about. This is why the problem continues. With people afraid to talk about it. With white working class girls as collateral damage with their lives ruined, as they don't seem to matter. I don't see any white privilege here.

The Wikipedia page on the Rotherham cases outlines in stark detail the issues. It is unbelievable that this is still going on unabated despite all these enquiries and action:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

This is a national scandal. And Maggie Oliver and Sammy Woodhouse are absolutely heroic. I am so sorry for this mum how appalling to be attacked and then failed so repeatedly.

If police forces are not fit for purpose, what happens then? Do we write to the MoJ?

It’s certainly interesting that there’s not much publicity surrounding these cases. You could almost forgive someone for donning a tinfoil hat.

The Sky prog above does make clear the abusers of "Sarah" were white and Asian and Maggie Oliver thinks the class of the victims is more relevant than the ethnicity of the perps.
Having said that, this did strike me in the transcript of the File on 4 programme: downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/fileon4/PG10_Rochdales_Untold_Story.pdf
"I got picked up by the police so many times. It was
always like drunk and disorderly, assault, racial abuse. It was always when I was out with Asian men. Never once was anyone ever arrested, only me. [MUSIC] This guy - he used to
buy me stuff - and one night he tried it on. I was like, no, and he said, ‘Right, f-off, you
white slag.’ He punched me in my face. I called him a Paki bastard. When the police came,
I tried to explain, you know, he tried to have sex with me, but nothing happened.
HARTE: That night, Daisy was arrested and later convicted of a
racially aggravated public order offence. Nothing happened to the man who she says hit her."

There was also a case in Yeovil where the 16 year old grooming victim was prosecuted for hate crime for racially abusing her perpetrator (but acquitted)
www.somerset.org.uk/ipost/iPost%20Documents/Fenestra-SCR-report-FINAL-01.11.17.pdf
There is no evidence of professional practice in the identification of CSE being influenced by the ethnic origin of the perpetrators, who are both Turkish.
5.2.2 However, in November 2011, perpetrator A complained to the police that 16 year old Q was verbally racially abusing him. She was charged and at a later trial found not guilty. By this stage Q had disclosed to police her sexual relationship with perpetrator A, and a police investigation had been initiated, but following her retraction the investigation was filed as no further action. Moreover, at the time of the incident perpetrator A was in the street with 6 teenage girls, which should have been viewed as a cause for concern, given the history of allegations known to police. A victim support letter was sent to Perpetrator A, although it noted the history of 'domestic issues' between him and Q. The officer in charge noted that A had been in an underage relationship with Q. However, there was no senior officer involvement and these factors were not shared with the CPS who made the decision to charge Q.
5.2.3 The police report for this serious case review suggests that on occasion police officers were confused over what was the most important issue to deal with, with the alleged 'hate' crime overshadowing the real offending taking place around CSE. Hate crime is seen as a high priority offence that requires robust action, and the response in isolation would be correct, but not when placed in the context of the wider picture already known to the police.
5.2.4 The prosecution of victims of CSE for alleged 'hate' crimes against the very people already known to have abused them is a further abuse of the victims, and will undermine any trust they might have in authorities.

So the ethnicity of the abusers clearly was and is relevant to these persistent grooming scandals, but not the whole story

Just to clarify (as much as is possible without getting deleted), that when I said:

I won't say why I believe the police do nothing about this as my post would no doubt get deleted.

that I didn’t mean that the police turn a blind eye because of the ethnicity of the perpetrators. In fact, I believe it suits the police to have people think that they avoid taking action out of fear of being seen as racist. I think they have other reasons for allowing these gangs to operate.

This was happening in West Yorkshire in the 90s. I reported a house where young girls were being taken and it was not raided. It would take hours for the police to follow up on girls disappearances, even when car numbers were given etc.

Do you mean the police are involved? Wouldn't be surprised if individual cops were but institutional involvement? Where's the evidence? More likely there's institutional sexism, meaning these girls and women aren't seen as victims and the men aren't seen as abusers. Just like Holbeck isn't seen as exploitative and abusive.

Absolutely disgusting. The police are a joke. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the many reasons they sit on their hands when it comes to issues like this is because they're raping these girls too. Considering the high percentage of policemen that are domestic abusers, it makes sense that they're also doing this too. Where is the so called "white privilege" now? These males (no matter their colour) are the ones with all the privilege. The girls are not.

There is certainly at least one police officer that I can think of who is facing charges of child sex abuse alongside other members of an alleged grooming gang in W Yorks.