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Scotland - Ask your MSPs to call for more changes to Hate Crime Bill before debate on Tuesday 15 December

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NonnyMouse1337 · 11/12/2020 14:53

More info in Free to Disagree newsletter.

URGE MSPS TO CALL FOR MORE CHANGES TO HATE CRIME BILL

Holyrood’s Justice Committee published its Stage 1 report, which concludes that further changes to the Hate Crime Bill are needed.

MSPs will debate the bill on Tuesday 15th December. Following this Stage 1 debate on the general principles of the bill, MSPs will vote ‘for’ or ‘against’ progressing it to Stage 2.

Ask your MSPs to speak out against the controversial ‘stirring up hatred’ offence by contacting them today.

Encourage your friends and family to write too.

MSPs from nearly every party have expressed concerns that the stirring up offence in Part 2 of the bill is a threat to freedom of expression. Only the Greens remain united behind the bill in its current form.

Use writetothem.com to find out who your MSPs are and to email them.

Write to your constituency MSP first, then choose the option ‘write to all your regional MSPs’.

Tips on what to say

Tell them you’re a constituent (and if you voted for them, say so).

Ask them to raise concerns about the ‘stirring up’ offences in the Hate Crime Bill during the Stage 1 debate on Tuesday 15 December.

Below are some arguments you may find useful. Choose 2 or 3 but please put them in your own words.

Scrap the stirring up hatred offences in part 2 of the bill.

The offences have been highly controversial, with voices from many different backgrounds raising concerns about the potential to stifle free speech.

Justice Secretary Humza Yousaf has announced changes to Part 2. These are welcome, but they do not go far enough.

The best way to protect free speech is to ditch part 2 altogether.

The stirring up offences are not necessary.

The Scottish Government has not been able to give examples of genuine injustices that will be caught by the new stirring up offences that aren’t already caught by existing laws.

The Scottish Police Federation labelled the offences “unnecessary” and “confusing”.

The policy analysis collective Murray Blackburn Mackenzie said the Scottish Government has failed to demonstrate how “expanding stirring up offences will fill a legislative gap on paper, or reduce in practice the number of hate-related attacks on individuals in particular groups”.

Key terms such as ‘hatred’, ‘abusive’ and ‘inflammatory’ are vague and subjective.

These terms have not been clearly defined in the bill, leaving them open to interpretation.

Simply expressing a controversial viewpoint could be labelled ‘hateful’ and risk prosecution.

The Justice Secretary suggested the dictionary definition of the word ‘abusive’ is adequate. But this definition – ‘using rude or offensive words’ – would create a dangerously low threshold.

“Abusive” needs to be clearly defined or completely removed.

Faith groups have questioned whether certain passages in the Bible and other holy texts could be deemed ‘inflammatory’. The writings of gender-critical feminists could also be caught.

Burden on police.

Police Scotland warned that failing to include adequate free speech protections could result in the force “being burdened with vexatious reports of ‘crimes’ which are not in fact criminal in nature but which still require to be recorded and investigated to confirm if criminality is involved”.

The Association of Scottish Police Superintendents said “a mature, democratic and truly tolerant society should be able to negotiate robust and even rude and insulting public and social discourse without recourse to the criminal law”.

Chilling effect on free speech.

There is great fear among the public that free speech is being curtailed. ComRes polling in August found 64 per cent of Scots think “people today are too quick to shut down debate”. The stirring up offences would add to this chilling effect on speech.

The Faculty of Advocates warned that the offences could have an unintended “impact on freedom of expression” and cited a potential “chilling effect on legitimate, if controversial, debate and the performing arts”.

The Law Society of Scotland said “the bill presents a significant threat to freedom of expression, with the potential for what may be abusive or insulting to become criminalised”.

Free speech protections need to be ‘broadened and deepened’.

The Government’s pledge to strengthen the free speech clause on religion to allow expressions of “antipathy, dislike, ridicule and insult” is welcome, but it’s not enough. The same free speech protections must be afforded to other characteristics in the bill.

It is especially important to include a free speech clause on transgender issues. Creating new stirring up offences in this very contentious area with no free speech protections whatsoever would be a disaster.

Don’t police speech in private homes.

Public order laws normally include a ‘dwelling defence’ for words spoken in the privacy of your own home and not heard or seen by anyone outside. The Hate Crime Bill contains no such defence.

There is widespread concern that people could be prosecuted for remarks made during private discussions in their own homes. There must be a private space in which people can express opinions without fear of being accused of a hate crime.

If a visitor to your home reports you for ‘hate speech’, the police would have to take witness statements from other people present – your friends or family – to try to build a case against you. This is an appalling prospect.

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terryleather · 11/12/2020 15:31

Thanks for this Nonny

I've already emailed my MSPs a while ago about this, I think only a couple replied and if memory serves they were Labour..? and they did seem to have reservations about the Bill.

Anyway, will fire off short emails to them all once again with the exception of one Mr P. Harvie - after his shameful showing yesterday I'm going back to pretending he's not one of my MSPs...it's about the only way I can cope with reality!

334bu · 11/12/2020 15:48

Only one of mine even acknowledged receipt of my email
Will get onto this this weekend.

NonnyMouse1337 · 13/12/2020 07:56

Sunday bump!

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334bu · 13/12/2020 13:40

Just a thought, regarding potential vexatious misuse of this bill, maybe some mention of insults being hurled by prominent people in SNP at women who wanted gender changed to sex in the Forensic Medical Services Bill also John Nicolson calling LGB Alliance a hate?

334bu · 13/12/2020 13:41

hate group

NonnyMouse1337 · 13/12/2020 13:52

@334bu

Just a thought, regarding potential vexatious misuse of this bill, maybe some mention of insults being hurled by prominent people in SNP at women who wanted gender changed to sex in the Forensic Medical Services Bill also John Nicolson calling LGB Alliance a hate?
Yes those are excellent real world examples of how these situations play out for people.
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littlbrowndog · 13/12/2020 19:07

Bumping. Will do tomorrow

littlbrowndog · 13/12/2020 19:10

Andy wightman again 🤦‍♀️

BetsyM00 · 13/12/2020 20:34

If you are writing to Andy Wightman you might like to remind him that Robin Harper MSP (first ever elected Green Parliamentarian in the UK) proposed gender be added as an aggravator in hate crime laws in 2003.

See p3: www.parliament.scot/Research%20briefings%20and%20fact%20sheets/SB08-41.pdf

And as Andy so very recently said in Parliament, back in those good old days gender actually was synonymous with sex. So really, the whole Green party should be speaking up enthusiastically for added sex to the Hate Crime Bill. Shouldn't they...?

SusanSmithFWS · 13/12/2020 21:50

Thank you to all - we proved that women really can make a difference this week. Let's keep reminding them

littlbrowndog · 13/12/2020 22:30

Bu5 wightman voted against the amendment as he didn’t like the tone of the debate.

What sort of person would do that.

Deny rape survivors what they asked for

I will ask him that

NonnyMouse1337 · 14/12/2020 11:21

This is a fantastic report. If you still have to email your MSPs, you can use what's in here as well to help you write it. And link to it in your email.

murrayblackburnmackenzie.org/2020/12/14/briefing-for-stage-1-debate-hate-crime-and-public-order-scotland-bill/amp/

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