Isuelt White looking for emails received from Amnesty

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I think I saw a number of women writing here to say that they’ve received emails from Amnesty with the fact that female biological sex doesn’t exist.

Isuelt is looking for these replies and an W other response from amnesty.

Can anyone help here?
(And if you open this thread but it’s low down the page would you mind responding with a “boost” in order to keep it near the top? TIA)

twitter.com/iseult/status/1337083887961436160?s=21

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Just going to rummage around in my mailbox .
I'll be right back ...

Dear Cagedbirdsinging , We are sorry to hear we have lost your support over our campaign for the rights of Transgender people.
We are very sorry to hear your concerns but Amnesty International is committed to campaign for the rights of transgender people to live freely , authentically and openly and to have their gender legally recognised w/o having to go through a dehumanizing long costly procedure .
We do not believe this goes against our campaign for women's rights. We feel the current conversation, in part on social media with regards to self identification is misguided and not based on evidence. Restricting the rights of transgender people will not protect or advance women's rights .
Our campaign is based on Amnesty's research on legal gender recognition in multiple countries and on existing human rights standards […] also our longstanding work on violence against women and its root causes . We do not launch campaigns w/o solid research and consideration for the human rights of all groups concerned and we dispute any assertions that self identification will be used by men in order to access spaces where women are vulnerable to abuse or harrass them .
There is absolutely no evidence that this would happen .
In countries where self id is already the process (Argentina Ireland)
the policy has had absolutely no impact on anyone other than transpeople , making their lives easier .
Lauren
Supporter Communications Team
Amnesty UK

Thanks @Cagedbirdsinging
Are you happy to contact Isuelt via the Twitter link posted above?

I bumped up the thread from last week about this.

I don't have a Twitter account but I will see if I can work around it .
(I would be more than happy for you to forward my post to her though)

This is what I received in 2018. I had been a supporter for 25+ years and was so sad to stop funding the important work they still do, but couldn't stomach any more crap like feminism being an "ever-evolving project", which perhaps is true, but doesn't mean that it should include men.

Thank you for your email. We have logged your comments in line with our feedback policy and have released the following statement:

“Many inspiring speakers will take part in our ‘Women Making History’ event on Sunday. We have conducted due-diligence on all of them and we are proud to be associated with such a diverse and talented group of people.

We will always encourage debate on feminism and women’s rights and we appreciate it is a complex topic. We believe there’s a place for trans women within feminism. Feminism is an ever-evolving project and our festival this week will not be about divisions and hatred, it will be about celebrating women’s rights defenders of the past and the present in all their diversity and all their courage, standing together to campaign for change.

We continue to stand with human rights defenders in the UK and around the world – without their courage, our world would be a less fair, less just and less equal place.”

With regard to our sex work policy it’s important to point out that we do not advocate for the legalisation of sex work, but decriminalisation. Amnesty does not believe that buying sex is a human right, but we do believe that sex workers have human rights. Sex workers face a range of human rights violations linked to criminalisation, which prevents them from securing police protection and provides impunity to abusers. We’re focused on protecting the rights of sex workers and we strongly condemn human rights abuses committed against people who sell sex and the discrimination they face; and we believe decriminalisation is one important step towards addressing that.

Please note that Amnesty International is by no means alone on this issue. Other groups which support or are calling for the decriminalization of sex work include the World Health Organization, UN Women, UNAIDS, ILO, the Global Commission on HIV and the Law, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Health, Human Rights Watch, The Open Society Foundations, the Global Alliance Against Trafficking in Women and Anti-Slavery International.

We would advise you to take a look at our Q&A if you haven’t done so already - www.amnesty.org/en/qa-policy-to-protect-the-human-rights-of-sex-workers/ You may also like to read the article 'Sex Workers Rights Are Human Rights' written by our Policy Advisor at our International Headquarters - www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights/

We are sorry to hear you feel that you can no longer support us.

Sorry I can't help. I've had two telephone conversations with amnesty fund raisers about why I will not support them any more rather than emails.

Afraid I stopped supporting them when I realised they were supporting the ‘right’ for men to use prostitutes rather than supporting trafficked and abused women.

Iseult has an email address too.

I wonder what this is about (from Cagedbirdsinging's letter)

Our campaign is based on Amnesty's research on legal gender recognition in multiple countries and on existing human rights standards […] also our longstanding work on violence against women and its root causes .

What research and by whom?

Like @StillAHarpie I stopped any support for Amnesty International several years ago, when they started talking about men's "human right" to sex.

Not the request but I can get Greenpeace, ActionAid and probably by next week LLL.

Cailleach1...I can't Twitter . Do you happen to know Iseult White's email address , please ?

Bumping..

I got this one in November, I responded again but didn't get a further reply

Dear

Thank you for getting in touch.

Amnesty International is committed to campaigning for the rights of transgender people to live freely, authentically, and openly, and to have their gender legally recognised without having to go through a dehumanising, long and costly procedure. We live in a society that is more likely to discriminate and commit violence against transgender people, so we are proud to stand with them here in the UK and everywhere around the world.
We stand over the letter, which we signed to stand in solidarity with the trans community and against those spreading hate.
There are attempts to decontextualise certain phrases used in the letter in a way that misleads and confuses people, which is a common tactic used against many of our human rights campaigns. For example, the letter asks for media and politicians to not give legitimacy to those spreading vitriol or misinformation. This is being framed as a call to take away their political representation, which anyone reading the letter will clearly see is not what it means.
Another example is the letter’s referring to those ‘defending biology’. Allowing self-determination of our bodies is a basic principle of feminism and human rights. There is no such thing as a ‘biologically female/male body’ - a person’s genitalia doesn’t determine their gender. Those that seek to exclude and disenfranchise groups of people, or force people into one gender or their other on that basis, are working against basic human rights principles.
We feel much of the current media reporting and conversations on social media with regards to self-identification is misguided. Restricting the rights of transgender people, and omitting the use of inclusive language will not advance or protect women’s rights.

Kind regards,
Henry

From: [email protected]k_ 
Sent: 22 November 2020 09:54
To: Supporter Communications 
Subject: Contact us form enquiry

I'll be glad to forward my correspondence with Amnesty, much of it of course identical to others here -- Amnesty in each case ignoring the specific points each of us made.

Could someone post or DM me iseult's email address, please?

Why does Amnesty even have a position on gender? I thought Amnesty campaigned for non-violent political prisoners.

So much scope creep in the charity sector. So many Amelias and Jeremys going from one organisation to the next, copy and pasting their diversity policies as they go.

@SantaNameChange

This is what I received in 2018. I had been a supporter for 25+ years and was so sad to stop funding the important work they still do, but couldn't stomach any more crap like feminism being an "ever-evolving project", which perhaps is true, but doesn't mean that it should include men.

Thank you for your email. We have logged your comments in line with our feedback policy and have released the following statement:

“Many inspiring speakers will take part in our ‘Women Making History’ event on Sunday. We have conducted due-diligence on all of them and we are proud to be associated with such a diverse and talented group of people.

We will always encourage debate on feminism and women’s rights and we appreciate it is a complex topic. We believe there’s a place for trans women within feminism. Feminism is an ever-evolving project and our festival this week will not be about divisions and hatred, it will be about celebrating women’s rights defenders of the past and the present in all their diversity and all their courage, standing together to campaign for change.

We continue to stand with human rights defenders in the UK and around the world – without their courage, our world would be a less fair, less just and less equal place.”

With regard to our sex work policy it’s important to point out that we do not advocate for the legalisation of sex work, but decriminalisation. Amnesty does not believe that buying sex is a human right, but we do believe that sex workers have human rights. Sex workers face a range of human rights violations linked to criminalisation, which prevents them from securing police protection and provides impunity to abusers. We’re focused on protecting the rights of sex workers and we strongly condemn human rights abuses committed against people who sell sex and the discrimination they face; and we believe decriminalisation is one important step towards addressing that.

Please note that Amnesty International is by no means alone on this issue. Other groups which support or are calling for the decriminalization of sex work include the World Health Organization, UN Women, UNAIDS, ILO, the Global Commission on HIV and the Law, the UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Health, Human Rights Watch, The Open Society Foundations, the Global Alliance Against Trafficking in Women and Anti-Slavery International.

We would advise you to take a look at our Q&A if you haven’t done so already - www.amnesty.org/en/qa-policy-to-protect-the-human-rights-of-sex-workers/ You may also like to read the article 'Sex Workers Rights Are Human Rights' written by our Policy Advisor at our International Headquarters - www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/08/sex-workers-rights-are-human-rights/

We are sorry to hear you feel that you can no longer support us.

What a truly awful email that was! How the hell can someone write that nonsense. I am really sad Amnesty have fallen so far.

@GoldenBlue

I got this one in November, I responded again but didn't get a further reply

Dear

Thank you for getting in touch.

Amnesty International is committed to campaigning for the rights of transgender people to live freely, authentically, and openly, and to have their gender legally recognised without having to go through a dehumanising, long and costly procedure. We live in a society that is more likely to discriminate and commit violence against transgender people, so we are proud to stand with them here in the UK and everywhere around the world.
We stand over the letter, which we signed to stand in solidarity with the trans community and against those spreading hate.
There are attempts to decontextualise certain phrases used in the letter in a way that misleads and confuses people, which is a common tactic used against many of our human rights campaigns. For example, the letter asks for media and politicians to not give legitimacy to those spreading vitriol or misinformation. This is being framed as a call to take away their political representation, which anyone reading the letter will clearly see is not what it means.
Another example is the letter’s referring to those ‘defending biology’. Allowing self-determination of our bodies is a basic principle of feminism and human rights. There is no such thing as a ‘biologically female/male body’ - a person’s genitalia doesn’t determine their gender. Those that seek to exclude and disenfranchise groups of people, or force people into one gender or their other on that basis, are working against basic human rights principles.
We feel much of the current media reporting and conversations on social media with regards to self-identification is misguided. Restricting the rights of transgender people, and omitting the use of inclusive language will not advance or protect women’s rights.

Kind regards,
Henry

From: [email protected]k_ 
Sent: 22 November 2020 09:54
To: Supporter Communications 
Subject: Contact us form enquiry

And this one is even worse.

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