Tavistock Clinician 2018 lecture for ‘Caring for LGBT Children in Care’ conference. Youtube

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

This is a 2018 conference lecture by Aidan Kelly. He’s a consultant psychologist at GIDS and runs a private gender service for under 18s in London (seems to follow NHS assessment pathways, by the look of his website: www.kellypsychology.co.uk/gender).

He travels to Ireland regularly to run the Dublin version of GIDS, which the Irish service pays NHS England to provide under the ‘Treatment Abroad’ scheme (presumably it’s cheaper to bring a couple of clinicians to the kids than it is to send all the individual kids to London)

I haven’t watched all 45 minutes of it yet, I wanted to share it with FWR while I had the time stamp open. He starts out explaining what GIDS is and how it referral and funding works in Ireland and then, around ten minutes in, starts explaining what they actually do - I got as far as his admission that it was experimental and there wasn’t much available evidence and then when he started admitting that blockers ‘aren’t benign’, I figured I’d pause and see if anyone here wanted to watch along with me.

I have seen this before OP, I can go back and refresh my memory but I got to the bit you describe and I just felt pretty damn angry. The knew. They all knew. We knew they knew. No one listened. Now anyone who reads the papers and watches the news knows.

I can't watch something so anger-inducing at this time on a Sunday but I will to go back over it this week. Thanks for sharing it. I remember his face and voice, doubly dismissive.

Thanks Betty, likewise don't think I can watch right now, but v interested.

Okay this chap says he can diagnose gender dysphoria from just one meeting (circa 20 mins). Fgs.

Holy fuck.

24 minutes in the sodding Gender Unicorn turns up.

Then he starts talking about the kinds of doubts other child health and social work professionals have. Blithely dismisses trauma, talks about becoming a medical patient for life, admits that previous patients have returned to them years later to say they hadn’t been properly warned about the effects on fertility. Says they just don’t know if it’s right to do this and won’t know until the first kids who had puberty blocked (he says five years before the date of the talk so 2013) are in their 40s!

30 mins in mentions autistic traits and says ‘what’s that about?’

Then suicide stuff, says it’s statistically no different to CAMHS

Starting to feel like I need to back this video up before it gets scrubbed off the Internet.

Thread from a few months ago about this talk.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950421-Talk-by-Dr-Aidan-Kelly-Tavistock

Thanks Oldcrone!

38 mins - says kids under 8 turning up already socially transitioned, says ‘we don’t know what that does...big social experiment...we’re a bit worried about it’

Hopefully this archive works.

archive.today/TPY4R

'...big social experiment...we’re a bit worried about it’

I don't really have any words

39 mins, says it’s often the parents who push for blockers and hormones.

I suppose this urgency is because kids are arriving socially transitioned and living ‘stealth’ (meaning, keeping their sex a secret). Puberty would expose the reality.

Fucks sake. Early social transition is causing the distress at the thought of impending puberty!
The Mermaids approach has a lot to answer for.

From the Kellypsychology link in the OP.

I can't believe what I'm reading 'possibly more', and the signing off quote is so politically charged.

This isn't health care. Its experimental AND political activism as well isn't it? What a fucking outrageous mess this all is.

In order to complete a specialist gender assessment it is necessary to meet face-to-face on at least 1 occasion., possibly more. This is determined on a case-by-case basis.

“Nature loves variety; unfortunately society hates it."

...I'm absolutely fuming ! So the Kelly website is more or less saying "society already hates you". Saying this to children for christ's sake !!! The inference is, if society won't change, you must change and undergo experimental procedures

This is fucking monstrous

I've not seen this before and am totally shocked by it, he knows exactly that everything they are doing is experimental, he admits they have no idea what the treatment does in the long term, they just seem to be winging it with, just as an aside, "we're not really sure if any of this is a good idea or what the long-term effect of anything we do is, ho hum". How can anyone listening to that think that lawsuits are not pretty much inevitable??

Fucks sake. Early social transition is causing the distress at the thought of impending puberty! The Mermaids approach has a lot to answer for.

Indeed. It would be better to allow children to step outside sexist stereotypes without telling them that there is something wrong with their body.

All of this is sickening. These professionals should know better.

Thanks for archiving, I'm at the point where I think it's worth filming this stuff too.

Follow the Fucking money.

Someone like him needs to be struck off.

Or more.

@Quillink

Fucks sake. Early social transition is causing the distress at the thought of impending puberty! The Mermaids approach has a lot to answer for.

Indeed. It would be better to allow children to step outside sexist stereotypes without telling them that there is something wrong with their body.

All of this is sickening. These professionals should know better.

I agree. The problem starts when you tell a very young child that it is possible to change sex and you go along with their fantasy, including enrolling them in school under a different name. Then you panic and need medical intervention to keep up the pretence.

It’s too horrific for words when you stop to think about it.

Is he a medical doctor along with being s a psychologist? I haven't got to the part where he can diagnose someone, but he doesn't inspire confidence from first impressions.

I can probably see him giving counselling or therapy. However, he is painful to listen to and really is giving a lot of waffle. If you were to synopsise his talk so far, it boils down to 'Fuck knows, and we're winging it'. Taking this into consideration, he seems to have been given a lot of power in his role, when you consider the experimental nature of the 'treatment' and the possible consequences. It is not just counselling.

I can't get the vid to play in the archive link - does it not work with video, or is it just my browser?

I can try and do a transcript a bit later, or a partial transcript, if anyone wants to share that task?

Archive vid plays just fine for me. Copied the link rather than clicking it.

Great, I can relax and take time with transcription, then! Ta.

There's a twitter thread about this talk by @rogdmum. I don't know if she has a transcript of it.

mobile.twitter.com/rogdmum/status/1276821640203186176?s=21

She transcribed part of it in the OP of her thread on here that I posted a link to last night.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3950421-Talk-by-Dr-Aidan-Kelly-Tavistock

Sorry, someone else did the bits and pieces of that transcription but no more from the video.

Ah, thanks both. Would it be useful to have more of it transcribed? I've started to get a bit twitchy about recording things now - seems so much denial is in the offing.