Article today about p**nhub

[PotholeParadies]

Warning, contains distressing information.

Very long, but it's long because every word matters.

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html#click=t.co/bUgBiiFrYH" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2020/12/04/opinion/sunday/pornhub-rape-trafficking.html#click=t.co/bUgBiiFrYH

Some extracts
While Pornhub would not tell me how many moderators it employs, I interviewed one who said that there are about 80 worldwide who work on Mindgeek sites (by comparison, Facebook told me it has 15,000 moderators). With1.36 million new hours of videouploaded a year to Pornhub, that means that each moderator would have to review hundreds of hours of content each week.

The moderators fast forward through videos, but it’s often difficult to assess whether a person is 14 or 18, or whether torture is real or fake. Most of the underage content involves teenagers, the moderator I spoke with said, but some comes from spy cams in toilets or changing rooms and show children only 8 to 12.

“The job in itself is soul-destroying,” the moderator said.

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And call me a prude, but I don’t see why search engines, banks or credit card companies should bolster a company that monetizes sexual assaults on children or unconscious women. If PayPal can suspend cooperation with Pornhub, so can American Express, Mastercard and Visa.

Thank you. Placemarking to read later as I don't think I can face it now!

Wise. It's a hard, damning read.

Bit of a cliché but the writer put his heart and soul into making his case.

Well the argument is that "This Never Happens" because all men are completely trustworthy wrt what they film upload and download and if there's any abuse it's because the woman or child asked for it it's their own fault, look over there, shouldn't have been on their own outside anyway.

Not read it yet but, bloody hell, I could not be a moderator for any of these sites it must be very traumatic. I wonder if the sites offer counselling for their staff?

Everyone should read that article. Pornhub (and the other sites) should be held to account.

Just makes me even angrier at this video I saw earlier today - made in partnership with Childline, no less - that talks to kids about how fun porn is as long as you just remember that it's not real! ...Except often it is real. Real rape. Real tears. Real injuries. Real lives being really ruined. I can't believe how much these sites get away with and how it's seen as perfectly fine and normal for a 12 year old to watch (to take an example from the article of the kind of video PornHub thinks is perfectly fine content) videos of women being asyphixated with plastic bags.

When you're so mad you don't even include the link you're referring to, doh:

Just makes me even angrier at this video I saw earlier today - made in partnership with Childline, no less

WTAF?

Why do they even allow all those search terms? It should be impossible to search in ways that are meant to elicit ‘underage’ sex even if some of it is really older actors made to look young.

Teaching people to disassociate from the distress of the girl or woman they are watching, or worse to get off on it, should be a concern. WTF are Childline thinking?

One thing that slightly bugs me is people can see how messed up porn hub is when it comes to exploitative videos of children , but we are also supposed to accept that the moment someone becomes 18 it’s all totally fine and their choice. Porn hub is damaging to women and girls across the board .

What age is that video aimed at I wonder?

I wouldn’t choose to show it to my secondary age children. I am surprised that childline were involved although now it seems so many charities are pushing sexual education of a sort that in the not so distant past people in long term relationships might have sought out to spice up a long term relationship in middle age.

There seems to be an implication that pornography is fine and fun and a normal part of life...

I do hope that there are some boys out there who grow up free from this and some men that don’t use it.

The comment that using your imagination is hard work so it is great that porn exists instead.

We were so lucky in the days before the internet to be free to develop our imaginations and discover things without that influence and pressure. Although there were others as mentioned on a previous thread page 3, Bond girls, benny hill and general objectification and humiliation of women. Children were mostly protected from the truly explicit and most of what is now promoted as normal and expected was considered completely beyond the pale.

I wonder how many girls will be put off sex completely, finding that it is painful, hard work and that they are constantly judged on their performance and technique. Where is the pleasure for girls, will they ever experience sex as nurturing, relaxing, affectionate and part of bonding with their chosen partner?

Perhaps there will be a sudden explosion of girls discovering a vocation as a Buddhist or Catholic nun or celebrating empowered celibacy.

Also that video while trying to be all funny and irreverent was just sad. He actually says at one point that porn is a good distraction from how weird you look when you have sex. Oh, great , let’s mindlessly consume this media and dissociate so we’re not fully in the present moment and actually experiencing what we’re doing because sex is totes awkward. That’s really healthy. If someone said to me “cooking shows are fun because they distract you from how weird you look stuffing food into you’re face” I’d think they had mental problems.

I also dislike this automatic idea that sex isn’t “real”. It’s just a “performance”. Ok , but the sex isn’t simulated. People are actually having sex. Women’s bodies are actually being used in these various ways. It would be like if I said boxing wasn’t “really” people beating the crap out of each other but was just a performance.

This isn't sex education by any stretch of the imagination. Meanwhile there's a whole generation of teenage girls watching the objectification and exploitation of women being endorsed by kid's charities.

Very pertinent points Weebesom and HecatesCats.

It really is so unhealthy to suggest that it is normal detach from your own body and your connection with your partner because you are embarrassed, sounds like some work on self acceptance and a bit of maturity of attitude would be a good idea before getting naked with a partner.

Equally the point about real people, really being exploited.

I find the boxing analogy very helpful.

I just don’t know why children are being sexualised to such an extent by so much explicit information way beyond the basics so young, the normalisation of pornography and no strings casual sex and expected (by their peers/social media/certain charities) in many cases to announce their sexual orientation age 12.

the normalisation of pornography

In the United States you can find this in Planned Parenthood's new Amaze sexual education videos that are geared for boys ages 8-12.

Placemarking to read after kids in bed. Dreading it but as you say, important.

I'm glad I waited, because now I've got a strong drink to help me process that article Pothole. It's distressing, actually quite horrifying and it's about the 10th most visited website in the world. Well done to Nicholas Kristoff_ for researching in depth and shining a light on the extent of the problem. What on earth do we do?

After a 15-year-old girl went missing in Florida, her mother found herer on Pornhub — in 58 sex videos. Sexual assaults on a 14-year-old California girl were posted on Pornhub and were reported to the authoritieses not by the company but by a classmate who saw the videos

When did pornographers take over sex education for children?

I wonder how many girls will be put off sex completely, finding that it is painful, hard work and that they are constantly judged on their performance and technique. Where is the pleasure for girls, will they ever experience sex as nurturing, relaxing, affectionate and part of bonding with their chosen partner?

Perhaps there will be a sudden explosion of girls discovering a vocation as a Buddhist or Catholic nun or celebrating empowered celibacy.

Or perhaps just a massive increase in teenage girls realising they don't like what's involved in being a woman, based on what's done to the female sex in porn, so they must actually be a boy and get their overly sexualised breasts cut off?

Pornographers took over sex education as soon as sex became an accepted tool for selling products. The Internet just allowed it to flourish.

Kristof seems to feel he has to stress he's not anti-porn. He's only bothered by the lack of consent.

It's crazy that it's now dogma: if sex organs are involved we've all got to be mindless cheerleaders to stick it to the Victorians.

Meanwhile, women are being bought, sold, rented, tortured there's a term for that. It's called slavery. and it's all fine because penis! and we wouldn't want to be called prudes!

(It's an excellent article. And major props to Kristof for shining light on it.It's just sad to see how totally the slavers have taken over the group mind.)

Anotherhumanfemale yes of course you are right.

When we were younger we just wore baggy shapeless clothes to avoid unwanted male attention, it didn’t work that well.

Now we have girls who can see no other way to avoid being judged, used and abused as a sex object, they take the trans route. It is heartbreaking.

I confess I haven’t found the courage to look at the article linked by the OP yet but I was aware of the case of the kidnapping.

There must be a way of taking the site down and prosecuting those responsible for it. It is just sickening and disturbing that it hasn’t already been done. It doesn’t seem that it is even on the radar of the police.

When did pornographers take over sex education for children?

Great question. And to push the point further - why are we allowing pornographers to take over the sex education of our children?