Mermaids 'deadnaming' Keira on their fb page

[singwhenyourewinningyouonly]

Their legal person did a live stream on fb on the day of Keira's judgement.

It's entitled 'Quincy Bell v Tavistock Decision Q and A'

My understanding is that Keira used the alternative name Quincy when she identified as male.

What on earth are Mermaids doing referring to Keira Bell by this name this week?

Her name is Keira, Mermaids.

[allmywhat]

Mermaids are for once correct here

They're not correct! Do you suppose they refer to all the children they work with by the name on their legal documents? Do you imagine it's a general policy of theirs?

And they're not referring to the judgement by its correct name so that's not an excuse.

It's just spite.

[RealityNotEssentialism]

@ListeningQuietly

You can’t change the details on bank account or passport without evidence of legal name change, either through marriage or stat dec/deed poll.
Bollocks.
You can call yourself whatever you like
and can as I legally do have passports in different names

You can only make minor changes to your name on your passport, such as removing a middle name or slightly changing the spelling. For a comprehensive name change, you need evidence of a legal change of name.

[user174635242]

You do not have to follow a legal process to start using a new name. But you might need a ‘deed poll’ to apply for or to change official documents like your passport or driving licence.

The deed poll is a form of evidence that you use a particular name. There are other ways to evidence it. It is still not a "legal name" and there is still no such thing as a "legal name change" process.

www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll

If you are using two names there are circumstances in which you can have both recorded in Home Office documents like your passport.

[singwhenyourewinningyouonly]

@ListeningQuietly

singwhen

Kiera knowingly took the case forward knowing that "Mrs A " would never stand up in front of the press
I see no problem at all with Mermaids calling it the "Bell" case
when all the threads on here have done the same

They aren't using the full legal name of the judgement.

They are paraphrasing and choosing to utilise Keira's deadname as part of that paraphrasing.

Which considering their own sensitivity around deadnaming seems incredibly crass.

[ListeningQuietly]

FWIW I reiterate
pick your battles

Frothing over how Mermaids refer to the Bell case
is much less important
than making sure that they accept it

Deed Poll is a con.
UK Citizens can legally call themselves whatever they like.

[singwhenyourewinningyouonly]

@ListeningQuietly

FWIW I reiterate
pick your battles

Frothing over how Mermaids refer to the Bell case
is much less important
than making sure that they accept it

Deed Poll is a con.
UK Citizens can legally call themselves whatever they like.

No one is frothing.

Just highlighting their double standards.

Do you usually police these boards in this way?

[RealityNotEssentialism]

@user174635242

You do not have to follow a legal process to start using a new name. But you might need a ‘deed poll’ to apply for or to change official documents like your passport or driving licence.

The deed poll is a form of evidence that you use a particular name. There are other ways to evidence it. It is still not a "legal name" and there is still no such thing as a "legal name change" process.

www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll

If you are using two names there are circumstances in which you can have both recorded in Home Office documents like your passport.

Actually, the stat dec which is a legal change of name is drafted to demonstrate an intention to adopt the new name hereinafter and you have to sign it in your old name as well. So that’s incorrect that it just confirms what you have already done. You can call yourself what you like on a day to day basis but there are ways of officially changing your name on certain documents.

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

Keira has mentioned her other name at least once in the print press, so Mermaids and GenderGP have gained no power by disclosing it (only exposed their own hypocrisy).

Interesting that the press have followed the AllAboutTrans/TransMediaWatch/IPSO guidelines re: chosen name and pronouns, while trans charities and gender medicine suppliers have ignored them.

[shovvels]

12 week scan.... boy or girl?? I’ve herd something about a 30 degree angle any help??

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

I think you mean 20 week scan? Are you new to Mumsnet by any chance?

[LizzieSiddal]

Everyone who heard about this case knows she is called Keira and wishes to be known as that. Using the other name, just makes Mermaids look incredible spiteful.

[fruitbat987]

haven't they been investigated yet? Surely Mermaids modus operandi contravenes British law now?

[NoCureForLove]

It is the complete mind fuck of trying to understand things that inherently contradict each other and constantly moving goalposts that makes people give up trying to make sense of all this.

So... if it's ok for Mermaids to call Keira by this name - when they are 100% aware that she wishes to be called Keira - this is ok because it's 'legal'? And not literal violence / deadnaming etc.

But... if I were to call a transwoman who wishes to be known as Rosie by her pre transition name of Roger - this is ok because it's 'legal'. Rather than literal violence / deadnaming etc.

And these are the actions of a charity whose stated purpose is to alleviate the distress of gender identity issues or similar?

Mind blown.

[PaleBlueMoonlight]

I have no idea whether Keira minds people using Quincy when it is relevant. I really hope she doesn’t as it is part of her story. I don’t want to have to hide reality and this case was brought in the name of Quincy Bell not Keira. It is entirely normal to shorten case names to just the first claimant and defendant. It will probably end up being Bell v Tavistock.

I don’t have a clue what Mermaids’ particular motivation is in doing this (and it may not be lovely - I imagine they want to disassociate for Keira being a real person as much as possible), but it seems a bit off to criticise “the other side” for being truthful, when lack of truthfulness is a central criticism of transgender ideology, including the prohibition on dead naming.

[Jux]

It's not a hill to die on. Let them carry looking more and more spiteful and petty.

When anyone complains about being deadnamed then you can point out the hypocrisy (what % trans folks change their name legally, esp if they're not actually undertaking any sort of medical procedure).

[NoCureForLove]

As I said. It's a mind fuck. Or gross hypocrisy. Or so inconsistent it's maddening. Or so blind it's not even funny... etc.

[NoCureForLove]

Good point Jux. I look forward to looking puzzled if / when accused of literal violence and saying - but, err, what about....?

[DozeyTwonk]

I think the official court docs name her as Quincy

[NoCureForLove]

Yes. It does. Do you think Mermaids believe that is what Keira would like them to call her?

[ChattyLion]

I don’t think Mermaids have one single clue how to speak to, or about, people who detransition OR people who prioritise proper, normal standards of consent and safeguarding and appropriate mental health support for kids who are distressed about gender issues (plus everything else that those kids may be dealing with at the same time)..

[singwhenyourewinningyouonly]

@Jux

It's not a hill to die on. Let them carry looking more and more spiteful and petty.

When anyone complains about being deadnamed then you can point out the hypocrisy (what % trans folks change their name legally, esp if they're not actually undertaking any sort of medical procedure).

No one is suggesting it's a hill to die on.

But if some of us want to discuss the hypocrisy of this organisation we will.

[singwhenyourewinningyouonly]

Due to the perverseness of the GRC Keira's 'birth name' is now QB it would seem?

Mermaids says deadnaming is transphobic?

[NoCureForLove]

Interestingly the Mermaids website Legal Q and A refers to Keira Bell and Mrs A.

[BettyDuKeiraBellisMyShero]

Yep. The GRC thing is crazy.
The only way Keira can get her birth certificate back to it’s original state is to do the whole process over in the opposite direction (get another diagnosis of gender dysphoria, this time as an MtF transitioner, and then live, ‘in role’ as a women for two years, sending off her bank statements/utility bills as proof).
As she has no intention of engaging with the whole sorry charade again, she is stuck as legally Male until such a time that the law is changed to add some kind of annulment. It’s a massive and bonkers oversight that this scenario was seemingly never considered back in 2004.