Surely this list of behaviours that challenge social convention are not THE list used by medical professionals to diagnos gender dysphoria?

[stumbledin]

Diagnosis of gender dysphoria involves children demonstrating at least six of a series of behavioural traits as well as an “associated significant distress or impairment in function, lasting at least six months”.

Those patterns of behaviour include:

• A strong desire to be of the other gender or an insistence that one is the other gender.

• A strong preference for wearing clothes typical of the other gender.

• A strong preference for cross-gender roles in make-believe play or fantasy play.

• A strong preference for toys, games or activities stereotypically used or engaged in by the other gender.

• A strong preference for playmates of the other gender.

• A strong rejection of toys, games and activities typical of one’s assigned gender.

• A strong dislike of one’s sexual anatomy.

• A strong desire for the physical sex characteristics that match one’s experienced gender.
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With the exception of the last two surely all are fairly common, and in previous generations would just have been accepted as a phase.

How is it possible that in fact people who are educated enough to be in medicine are so unaware of how societies change over time.

Men used to have long hair and wear much more colourful clothes. Its only since the Victorian era that they had such a rigid and limited dress code.

If challenging current attitudes is seen as a medical condition, how is it that others who challenge the imposed narrative aren't also seen as having a medical condition.

And how is it that parents are themselves so limited in their view of how the world should be are not only playing along with this, but in some cases actively encouraging it.

Just think Billie Elliot might never have learnt to dance but instead become a trans girl.

(By the way it was a Guardian article which implies this is what they think is a rational explanation of a medical condition.)

Something else that really disturbs me is that-
TWAW end of
But children who meet six of the criteria have “gender dysphoria” and we may then call them trans. They must go through social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and potentially become an infertile lifelong medical patient

But TW give up nothing.

@Siameasy

Something else that really disturbs me is that- TWAW end of But children who meet six of the criteria have “gender dysphoria” and we may then call them trans. They must go through social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and potentially become an infertile lifelong medical patient

But TW give up nothing.

This bothers me too.

Especially when you get tw like Alex Drummond who has a beard. How can it be so unquestionable that as trans does not equal gender dysphoria, gender dysphoria might not equal trans?

@NoCureForLove

I found it interesting reading Stumbledin - and found myself wondering quite when it was written in its current form. The text I thought quite measured and balanced for the most part. Not quite sure it fits very well therefore with the "checklist' you started the thread about? Would it be too cynical to think its had a recent makeover? No mention of Mermaids etc.

A checklist almost identical to the one in the OP was still on the NHS website in May this year.

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@Siameasy

Something else that really disturbs me is that- TWAW end of But children who meet six of the criteria have “gender dysphoria” and we may then call them trans. They must go through social transition, puberty blockers, cross sex hormones and potentially become an infertile lifelong medical patient

But TW give up nothing.

That's one of the mysteries of the genderist ideology. While children must all have their puberty stopped immediately or they will kill themselves, an adult male can decide in an instant that he is now a woman with no need to make any changes to his body.

I'd love to see an explanation for that one.

ArabellaScott

Yes, Wee, but I feel that a lot of the narrative of gender ideology is actually doing a lot of work to create a more rigidly gendered society.

For an insight into transvestism at least, look at the quotes of Grayson Perry.

Perry will tell anyone who'll listen, how his motivations are almost entirely sexual, and is surprisingly candid about all of it.

“Dressing up is partly about the right sort of attention. Little boys don’t get the kind of attention for just being which girls get.

No one’s as sexist as a transvestite. We like gender roles. I always describe myself as gender rigid,”

“I signed up for a gender and I want them to be very clearly delineated so I know I’m dressing up in the wrong clothes.”

Perry reveals ‘One of the reasons I dress up as a woman is my low self-esteem, to go with the image of women being seen as second class.

Anyone with the smallest attempt at analysis can see that the ideology relies on sexism, but you don't often hear it admitted amidst all the hormone wash and assigned at birth nonsense.

We and I mean Society, or the Elite have been medicalising nonmedical issues for some time.

Yes, Old crone, so would I. I do feel the Bell v Tavi judgment is so important. It is like having a foothold, something firm, where before there was only quicksand. I do think we must fight to hold on and that the scales are beginning to fall from people's eyes and the Emperor's new clothes are beginning to be seen for what they are.

Grayson Perry is an interesting version of hiding - or not even hiding but proclaiming- in plain sight. He makes ut clear his dressing up as Claire is a sexual fetish and everyone smiles and nods and thinks it's lovely. He must be quite disappointed! He is intelligent and charismatic and talented - so people decline to hear what he himself says about it. Turning a deaf ear rather than a blind eye.

Yes the Bell ruling means we have something to point at. Transitioning a five year old socially (and it does happen) is a pathway to PBS and CSH are almost inevitable. So, pathway to potential sterility and a host of other ailments. But we are the bigots.
Believers in gender identity used to call us “wrong side of history” but I have a feeling they will be. I’m speaking openly about this now.

I decided when the Bell judgment was given last week that one thing I could do to thank Keira and Co was to be braver about speaking out about my views. If enough people do it will shine light. It does seem more possible to speak out. Thank you Keira.

I think the key part of the ruling was to show the pathway from PB to CSH was almost inevitable and that no records were kept, no research done.
Previously when I used to express concern it was hard to back it up
I’m in a mums group on FB and when Keira first launched her case I brought it up and two of the mums flat out denied any of it was happening and I was called a Terf.
People are still denying it on SM but are getting more and more desperate judging by the swearing and threats

Sadly one can now say "experimenting on children" as an established fact fof starters.

And yes, if the DfE advice is explicitly to say a general identity cannot be based on stereotypes that's a direct contradiction of what appears to be a diagnosis.