Helen Webberley Live on FB

[rogdmum]

Watch here:

www.facebook.com/gendergp/videos/d41d8cd9/682774969109152/

Or a bit of a Twitter summary by Eva Poen here:
twitter.com/evapoen/status/1334472987806928903?s=21

Oh my. That is all I will say. Oh my.

Choosing GCSEs unwisely may have ramifications on future choices, but only to a limited and never insuperable extent.

The only situation I can think of where a wrong GCSE choice (given the limited options anyway) might have an impact is languages. Not having done Spanish through to GCSE might be a barrier to choosing it at A level. Although further education in my experience is fairly flexible so maybe not even in that situation.

If the NHS/GMC etc cannot get a handle on her after this then it shows that neither are fit for purpose.

She is completely out of control.

@BaronessWrongCrowd

Five years of data from a discredited business who is fronted by a former GP? (I say former because I believe they were struck off by the GMC). Hmmm

Not struck off, but currently suspended.

www.gmc-uk.org/doctors?page=1&lastNameText=webberley

@MondayYogurt

How much is she making from all this? Can we see the company financials?

Gender GP are now part of a larger company based in (I think) Hong Kong.

Before that, they were linked to a company in Belize (via Mike Webberley).

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/11716120/officers

I had a good look at the accounts for their various companies on the Companies House site last year and couldn't find any accounts with any money going through them. The GenderGP accounts are all for a 'dormant company'.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/10323493/filing-history

See these threads from last year:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3598778-Dr-Helen-and-Dr-Mike-Webberley-matters-of-public-record

Dr Helen Webberley was added as a director of My Web Doctor 09306407 in Oct 2020.

find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09306407/filing-history

Not quite so dormant as we thought.

And the HK connection simply leads back to Gender GP? www.gendergp.com/statement-from-harland-international-ltd-trading-as-gendergp/

Where are they paying tax?

Worth noting their defamation statement at the bottom on that link.

Let's not forget the criminal conviction
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46400184

The Facebook live made it clear that GenderGP still has ties to Mermaids...

Interesting point One. The Times reported on potential continuing ties between the two organisation in October. Sorry don't have a share token:

Article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chemist-sells-hormones-for-trans-children-online-cbgtxlbdr

Mermaids^ removed a GenderGP link from its website in May last year. However, The Times has seen redacted screenshots taken this year from forums on the Mermaids site, in which parents discussed experiences with GenderGP^.

Dr Helen Webberley was added as a director of My Web Doctor 09306407 in Oct 2020.

And terminated as a director Nov last year.

What is going on?!

@LizzieSiddal

I wonder if the GMC would be interested in what she's up to?

Encouraging other doctors to go against the ruling, for example.

From teh BBC article:

'HIW chief executive Dr Kate Chamberlain said: "Unregistered healthcare services pose a risk to patient safety as they are not subject to the same level of scrutiny as registered services."'

Apparently it will also have "ramifications" on under 18s being able to consent to anything, like voting or driving a car.

Did Marianne actually say this? 😂😂😂

I didn't watch the whole video. So Marianne is Gender GPs lead counsellor, counselling children on transition?

Also did Helen Webberly really compare going onto puberty blockers to choosing which non-compulsory GCSEs to take?

Whaaaaa?!

It is heartening to see a growing number of transpeople who are talking about how mermaids has gone too far. But they are still few and far between

I listened to Rose of Dawn’s recent livestream on the ruling from the JR while doing chores earlier. Rose manages to be both sensible and amusing.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5ZzIeTyT8

@Passmeabottlemrjones

Apparently it will also have "ramifications" on under 18s being able to consent to anything, like voting or driving a car.

Did Marianne actually say this? 😂😂😂

I didn't watch the whole video. So Marianne is Gender GPs lead counsellor, counselling children on transition?

Apparently so.

My impression of her body language in the clip;

she seems like a woman of very moderate intelligence, from a psychologically unchallanging background, who is begining to have the dawning realisation that her comfortable self image (and livestyle) is in serious danger of colliding with a reality she had not bargined for.

ie; she is looking slightly scared.

Interesting how she rubs her hands together in an unconscious demonstration of her motivation when talking about getting contributions to the fund at the end.

Also interesting when she says puberty blockers are not about 'breathing space' but foremost about preventing body development. Space to think is apparently a secondary benefit.

If the primary purpose of blockers is to prevent body development then they are simply the precursor to wrong sex hormones. The assumption is that the child will go on to fully medically transition. At least it can be said that Webberley is honest about this, which is more than can be said for most gender clinics promoting this treatment who blather on about 'pausing'.

Adults transitioning appear to be able to make a myriad of choices about how far to take medicalisation, or not to medicalise at all. But children are being put on the path to full hormones and surgery from the onset of puberty.

The last 5 minutes is the best bit.

I’m amazed she outright says the Tavistock’s big mistake was being too cautious

And that she says she knows she can’t be held responsible because gendergp follows WPATH (despite having already been suspended by the GMC and having to staff her business with shadowy, unnamed ‘doctors’)

I listened to Rose of Dawn’s recent livestream on the ruling from the JR while doing chores earlier. Rose manages to be both sensible and amusing.

That was good, wasn't it?

I felt some twinges of sympathy for the other two on the stream.

"Rose, we're 45 minutes into the stream and only up to paragraph 35..."

"But there's a good bit coming up".

"I've only just read this bit... And they thought this would be good evidence for their side? Jesus fucking Christ".

I think it would appeal to a fair few legal judgment geeks here. Or anyone who would prefer an audiobook version of the judgment (with heckling). Also dissection of Mermaids' response.

What is this woman/this couple up to?

Is nobody going to investigate? Interpol?!

twitter.com/BarbaraRich_law/status/1334491480606564352

For anyone not on Twitter:

'Following the ruling in Keira Bell’s case @gendergp
have launched “The Gendergp Charitable fund”. This does not currently appear to be a registered charity in England and Wales, and the word “Charitable” should not be used without the permission of the Charity Commission'

@EdgeOfACoin

I've only watched a few minutes. Apparently the Keira Bell ruling means that children won't be deemed competent enough to choose their exams (presumably GCSE options) in future.

Do these people really believe the nonsense they spout?

So unethical human experimentation is equivalent to chosing your GCSEs?

And there was me thinking that you could retake GCSEs or do them as an adult if you wished and that puberty blockers and cross hormones on children had irreversable side effects that can not be mitigated or corrected later in life.

Silly me.

Given that trading standards have whole sections about the targeting of vulnerable people and high pressure sales tactics are illegal and we don't compare this with inhibiting GCSE choices I think I'm fine with there being rules and ethics designed to protect children.

High pressure selling is when salespersons use psychological pressure on the customer by appealing to their fear, greed and pride to sell a given product or service. As the name suggests, high pressure selling phrase means creating enough pressure so that it can generate huge sales at a rapid rate. High Pressure Selling is also known as hard selling.

Methods of High pressure selling

1. Endless Chatter: This is one of the shrewdest techniques used by salesman during high pressure selling. Here, the salesman keeps explaining the benefits of the product as if a monologue. The tone used is friendly but persuasive. The idea behind this is that customers usually find it difficult to interrupt the salesman and deny buying the product. Some do it out of their shallow nature and others empathize the effort put by the salesman. The salesman keeps speaking and the customer is extremely assertive when saying no.

2. Emotional manipulation: Salespeople usually rely on emotional manipulation to pressure customers into buying. For example, they will ask a person who loves adventure to imagine how rich would they feel if they go for a tracking or cliff-jumping, basically bringing out his passion for adventure and turning him emotional. They will then produce their adventure kit and cite the benefits and utility in fulfilling the man’s passion. He has got a high chance to purchase the product out of his emotional will.

3. Limited Time offers: These offers induce an urge in the customer to buy a product, solely out of anxiety. High pressure selling pressurizes them by announcing that the product might not be available the very next day Customers who are contemplating the purchase decision are sure to buy fearing in loss and those who are not may also find the deal profitable. E.g These kind of offers have become more common and are highly prevalent in the e-commerce industry. All offers made are for limited duration and urge users through relentless advertisement.