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The Guardian on this weeks ruling- so unbalanced it might fall over

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Vermeil · 03/12/2020 08:54

A typically awful article in the Guardian about Kiera Bell’s success this week. Lots of hand-wringing, skates in wide circles around the facts of the ruling as though they’re on fire, Mermaids... It’s so bad it’s pretty much fake news.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/03/puberty-blockers-ruling-curbing-trans-rights-or-a-victory-for-common-sense-

Here’s the full text, just so you can avoid giving clicks

Keira Bell, 23, took legal action against the service, arguing she had been too young to consent to the treatment. Photograph: Sam Tobin/PA
The decision was welcomed by some as a victory for common sense and safeguarding, and condemned by others as having a chilling effect on the rights of young trans people.

NHS England said that any future medical intervention for under-16s would only be permitted “where a court specifically authorises it”.

The GIDS has faced major scrutiny in recent years, with some former staff and campaigners raising concerns about the “overdiagnosing” of gender dysphoria, the consequences of early medical interventions and the significant increase in referrals of girls questioning their gender identity.

In a series of interview with the GIDS and the Sandyford clinic in Glasgow, the only provider of children and young people’s gender services in Scotland, clinicians have given the Guardian an insight into the treatment pathways, while former staff have shared their own experiences.

The high court judgment noted particular concerns about the use of puberty blockers, which it said could be “properly described as experimental treatment” with “limited evidence of the efficacy or long-term effects”.

Between 4 March 2019 and 1 March 2020, the GIDS referred 171 young people to endocrinology, the initial step before any medical intervention. Of these, 60 were males and 111 were females, their average age was over 15 years and they had on average 10 appointments before this happened.

The GIDS stresses that its entire process is geared to giving young people time for reflection. It says that while some young people will arrive with a specific medical intervention in mind, others will be far more uncertain, benefiting from exploratory sessions, conducted with and without parents.

A care plan is then produced, which for the majority will involve further assessment, perhaps with a request to local services or the school for help. Before the high court judgment, a minority who had begun puberty were recommended hormone blockers, which arrest puberty, often a source of great distress for transgender teenagers.

A separate assessment and consent process was required before any patient moved on to cross-sex hormones, which aim to more closely align secondary sexual characteristics with gender identity, and which were available at around 16 years of age and after a year on blockers. The GIDS does not offer surgery.

Both the GIDS and the Sandyford clinic have seen an increase in referrals of teenage girls over the past decade – a trend reflected across Europe and globally.

Specialists at the GIDS say the rise should be kept in perspective – only one in 10,000 young people are referred to the highly specialised service – and that an over-representation of girls could equally be an under-representation of boys, for whom gender non-conformity tends to be more aggressively policed by peers.

For some girls – who enter puberty earlier and are more sexualised by society and more aware of pressure to have “the perfect body” – the service helps them explore ways of becoming more accepting of their changing bodies.

Only a small proportion of those seen at the GIDS access medical treatment while in the service.

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But critics believe that this amounts to the medicalisation of what is essentially a crisis at the onset of female puberty.

Those critics believe there is evidence that vulnerable young people – many of whom are gay and have homophobic parents or are bullied at school, who have autism or have suffered childhood abuse – are being convinced that changing sex will solve their problems, and that professionals are scared of censure if they challenge this.

The high court itself was critical of what it characterised as the Tavistock’s “surprising” lack of investigation into the rise in referrals of girls and of those with autistic spectrum disorder.

Sources at the Sandyford insist they are not seeing an over-representation of lesbian and gay young people, nor a large proportion of girls who have experienced sexual abuse or of people with homophobic parents trying to “correct” their child’s sexuality.

They say there is an over-representation of young people on the autistic spectrum but caution that there are already high rates of sexuality concerns within that population, caused by highly rigid thinking in terms of self-definition.

There are individual stories of distressed girls who are trying to escape their abuse by identifying as boys, or parents who push their children down the trans route because of anxiety or misunderstanding, but these are the exception.

One clinician suggests that a referral to the Sandyford often allows very confused young people, and anxious parents, the chance to consider what is really troubling them with a variety of professionals.

Those professionals can often “inject a sense of reality” into theories and ideas patients have read about online, and which appear to them to be a quick fix for their problems.

One former consultant psychiatrist and psychotherapist, who worked with the Tavistock’s adult service and with the GIDS, raised concerns that the “very affirmative” approach there risked medicalising behaviour that might otherwise be understood as a young person’s normal need to separate from their parents and express their individuality, perhaps through membership of a subculture.

He reported that, in his current private work with older teenagers and young adults displaying similar concerns, it was possible to help them move through their gender conflict via exploratory therapy which was neither “affirmative” nor attempting to be “corrective”.

The transgender teenagers whom the Guardian was introduced to by Mermaids – a charity providing support to transgender or non-gender-conforming children, including those undergoing medical interventions – overwhelmingly report frustration with lengthy waitings times for initial appointments (an average of 18 months according to GIDS); some turned to private practitioners in the interim. Last month, the Good Law Project launched legal action against NHS England over these waiting times .

“People who say the process is too speedy just don’t understand. Getting medical intervention is like winning the lottery,” said 18-year-old Dylan, who added that he was “deeply saddened” by the Bell judgment.

“It’s really important that people realise this isn’t a choice. The media talks about children being ‘brainwashed’ or ‘fast-tracked’, or that young people want to be trans because it’s a trend. Yes, there are some kids who are confused about gender or get into labels, but if you experience dysphoria that’s different.”

It’s a view shared by Alex, also 18, who says he is “terrified that this judgment is going to sentence trans teens to years of excruciating puberty, causing unmanageable levels of dysphoria and distress”.

Alex was referred to the GIDS six years ago, and had 18 months of regular sessions there before he was prescribed hormone blockers. While he described this wait as “the worst part” of his treatment so far, he added: “It is a thorough process, and I accept that it has to be. They pick apart what you say but that’s good therapy.”

He began taking testosterone two years ago, and said: “I am mostly at a point where being trans doesn’t matter – I finally feel like the real me, and I feel normal now which is the aim. I’m happy.”

The Tavistock is seeking permission to appeal against Tuesday’s judgment.

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MondayYogurt · 03/12/2020 08:57

Libby doesn't want the work bullies signing a letter about her.

Floisme · 03/12/2020 09:00

Suzanne Moore has tweeted that Guardian staff had information on the Tavistock prior to the court ruling but were not allowed to investigate:

twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1333850022782316545

Siameasy · 03/12/2020 09:10

“Young people”.
They don’t want to use the word children do they? Surely an over 18 would go to adult services and be irrelevant to this?

Canwecancel2020 · 03/12/2020 09:31

Article is better than I expected from guardian actually. Although that article it implies that there’s some disparity in approach between Sandyford and Tavistock? Not sure if that’s true, are Sandyford any better?

Interesting that the points about the rigour of the process don’t reflect Keira’s experience, and also doesn’t address that regardless of the number of sessions prior to starting drugs, the ruling judged that younger teenagers are incapable of understanding the long term risks to fertility and sexual function as adults. They fail to mention the wilful absence of clinical data recording for the “experimental” treatment and the discussion around 16 year olds is a bit odd bearing in mind most teens will be well on their way through puberty at that point - presumably many start PBs much younger than that. As PP said, much more palatable to talk about “young people” rather than children.

malloo · 03/12/2020 09:34

A terrible article, but not surprising. I was a loyal Guardian reader for about 20 years but have entirely given up on them now.

NotBadConsidering · 03/12/2020 09:41

The transgender teenagers whom the Guardian was introduced to by Mermaids

Don’t look through that door! Look over here! Over here!

Getting medical intervention is like winning the lottery,” said 18-year-old Dylan

That’s because Mermaids have led you to believe it will solve all your ills and prevent suicide, and likely mentioned little about the physical consequences.

Alex was referred to the GIDS six years ago, and had 18 months of regular sessions there before he was prescribed hormone blockers

Alex is now 18, so was referred ages 12, so still stated puberty blockers aged 13-14 and is now on testosterone and says is happy. Let’s hope the Guardian and Libby Brooks keep Alex’s number to find out if Alex is still happy aged 23...

NotBadConsidering · 03/12/2020 09:49

And they still can’t bring themselves to write that these children are rendered infertile and sexually dysfunctional. Or any of the other effects. Contrast that with Janice’s article in the Times where Keira lays bare what the treatments have done to her body. Instead here we just have a “I’m happy”.

The avoidance of such direct language is deliberate and controlling.

AbsintheFriends · 03/12/2020 09:51

The transgender teenagers whom the Guardian was introduced to by Mermaids

So, by way of robust journalistic research the Guardian went to Mermaids for teenagers to interview??

It's getting to the stage where the Guardian describing themselves as a newspaper is a real stretch. They're a Pink News-style propaganda propagator these days. (Though maybe if they identify as a newspaper that's enough?)

AbsintheFriends · 03/12/2020 09:52

Sorry NotBad - I should have refreshed the page and seen your post!

contactusdeletus · 03/12/2020 09:55

Editorial intervention, maybe? It feels like the second half of the article was written by a completely different person to the first. The first half is fairly balanced and fact focused, and then the second half goes full Guardian and swings off into wildly emotive territory. I'm not familiar with Libby Brooks - is this how she normally writes?

It feels as if the article was started off by a grown woman and then finished off by an intern.

Thingybob · 03/12/2020 10:03

Only one in 10,000 young people are referred...

This is an inaccurate statistic, it should read one in 10,000 are referred each year for the 18 years of childhood. So an individuals chance of being referred are much greater than quoted.

nauticant · 03/12/2020 10:06

That was my reading too contactusdeletus. I was halfway through wondering why FWR had been so down on the article and then I hit "The GIDS stresses that its entire process is geared to giving young people time for reflection" and then the rest of the article seemed to have been written by someone unaware of the Keira Bell decision.

contactusdeletus · 03/12/2020 10:12

The emotive second half of the article especially frustrates me. Once again it feels as if only the distress of trans teens matters. Detransitioners don't. Note the contrast! The clinical, rigidly factual language used to talk about Keira's experience downplays the horror of what was done to her. The only quote they include from her is her simply saying she was "too young" to have made the decision. Concerns about homophobia, the autism spectrum etc are then delivered in depersonalized third person - "campaigners say", "critics believe", etc.

This would be fine as a stylistic choice for a hot button issue, but it's not carried through. The trans distress is handled completely differently, with direct quotes from a whole selection of young people, appealing directly to the reader's emotions with talk about what "hell" waiting for treatment is and speculation about what delays may drive them to do. There are no quotes from young detransitioners (or parents of the same) expressing their feelings on the ruling. It's clear the Guardian didn't even try to obtain any.

The detransition side is gutted of all emotion while the "trans kids" side is loaded up with it. It's so disingenuous I can hardly stomach it.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 03/12/2020 10:14

The first half does sound balanced and fact focused, but I wouldn't trust Mermaids to give a balanced view for the second half.

jay55 · 03/12/2020 10:20

I read it this morning and thought it ridiculous it did not mention any of the consequences of taking the experimental drugs that children were expected to consent to before the ruling.

NotBadConsidering · 03/12/2020 10:20

Great analysis contactusdeletus, spot on.

Siameasy · 03/12/2020 10:24

Surely Mermaids aren’t credible any more after the Newsnight interview

PronounssheRa · 03/12/2020 10:31

The Guardians circulation figures have been falling year on year since the 1990s.

Quoting mermaids as a reputable source, preventing journalists from investigating what was going on at the Tavistock and the behaviour of some of its columnists will hasten its demise.

Its a shame, it used to be a really good paper.

nauticant · 03/12/2020 10:33

My prediction for the Guardian is that once they realise they're in a death spiral they'll do a U-turn, trumpet their commitment to free speech, but at that point their audience will largely be the woke who will then walk away.

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 03/12/2020 10:51

Guardian quote (from OP):

NHS England said that any future medical intervention for under-16s would only be permitted “where a court specifically authorises it”.

So if years later the transitioned person wants redress because reasons, would they sue the NHS or the court?

Can you even do that (sue a court)?

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 03/12/2020 10:54

Also from the same transcript:

Elliot Page: star of Juno and X-Men announces he is transgender* Read more*..

translation

Don't bother looking at this bad news - look at this film star who isn't getting enough attention.

Tootsweets23 · 03/12/2020 11:18

The Guardian's finances aren't that bad (although they've achieved profitability in part through cost cutting). However be interesting to see if revenues are sustained post Trump and post Brexit. If the news becomes less important and dramatic, people visit less and are less inclined to pay a sub. www.theguardian.com/media/2019/aug/07/guardian-broke-even-last-year-parent-company-confirms

Irrespective of their finances I'd like Kath V shut in a room with no escape with Keira Bell, Stephanie D-A, Julie B, JCJ, JKR, several trans widows (I'm sure I'm missing some!) where she can explain her editorial judgement on this issue and why she's unable to distinguish between fetishists and people with gender dysphoria. And why she doesn't seem to give a shit about medical experimentation on lesbian, gender non-conforming autistic children.

Datun · 03/12/2020 11:27

Specialists at the GIDS say the rise should be kept in perspective – only one in 10,000 young people are referred to the highly specialised service – and that an over-representation of girls could equally be an under-representation of boys, for whom gender non-conformity tends to be more aggressively policed by peers.

For some girls – who enter puberty earlier and are more sexualised by society and more aware of pressure to have “the perfect body” – the service helps them explore ways of becoming more accepting of their changing bodies.

Such a confused article.

Are they really saying refusal to adhere to rigid stereotypes and/or societal pressure on girls is solved by becoming a lifelong medical patient, permanent sterility, a compromised sex life and removing healthy body parts?

It's insane.

And claiming it's not a trend, not a choice but it is part of belonging to a sub culture and teenage rebellion??

The article is all over the place.

And being medicated is like winning the lottery??

As a solution to the over sexualisation of girls, teenage rebellion, finding a tribe, autism, or not adhering to stereotypes?

It's as though they realise they can no longer toe the party line, and have to actually report on what's happening, but because it clashes so spectacularly with their party line, it's all over the shop.

PronounssheRa · 03/12/2020 11:28

The guardian has a 20 million half year revenue shortfall this year.

www.pressgazette.co.uk/guardian-group-takes-action-to-protect-business-in-face-of-20m-revenue-shortfall/

I agree though the editorial decisions are woeful.

CatsCantCatchCriminals2 · 03/12/2020 11:52

The guardian has a 20 million half year revenue shortfall this year.

And aren't M&S going under?

There is a god and she's GC!