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Sean Locke regarding Rachel Riley .

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Cagedbirdsinging · 30/11/2020 00:28

I watched an episode of 8 out of 10 cats last night .
The talented , intelligent mathematician Rachel Riley had occasion to don an ugly helmet , tabard and hairy gauntlets .
Sean Locke immediately proclaimed , " Well , that's a hard wank , isn't it ?"
That is what Rachel Riley is to Sean Locke - wank material . It's taken me a while to realise how upset I am .
Next episode , Sean Beane spat a toy bat into the face of Suzy Dent.
Edgy humour is one thing but ffs .

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Nikhedonia · 30/11/2020 00:30

8 out of 10 cats, hosted by Jimmy Carr who has a 'joke' about rape being a "struggle snuggle". Not surprised by anything which happens on that show.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 30/11/2020 00:31

What an idiot. Sounds like the sort of man who thinks he incredibly funny when drunk.

BitMuch · 30/11/2020 01:49

Seems like most male comedians on TV think comedy is just speaking all their porn-obsessed creepy thoughts. Some have an open creep persona and others jazz it up with woke virtue signalling to get a 'good guy' veneer over his pornsick misogynist pig personality. Like Adam Hills, Russell Howard types who happily joke about how much horrific abuse they watch being done to women and teenage girls in online pornography while considering themselves so virtuous because they had a monologue at camera about children not getting free meals in the holidays or "consent is like asking if someone wants tea". The hypocrisy and how people fall for it makes me almost consider them worse than the open ones but I can't stand any of them honestly. Frankie Boyle is trying to do the woke veneer to get more work back and to get away with misogyny, seen as it works for the rest.

I find it fun to watch QI when it's all or mostly women comedians and Phill Jupitis isn't on. There's something wrong about him even beyond the open pornsickness, once during QI he sat on Victoria Coren and put his full weight on her and she was visibly hurt and shaken by it. Johnny Vegas is not a good man at all either. God, I really don't like many male comedians. Male 'lovable idiot' personas set off alarm bells along with the creeps and woke blokes.

From what I've seen, 'There's Something About Movies' with Alan Carr as the host on Sky seems quite good for a panel show. I didn't watch the series of it with Jimmy Carr as the host for obvious reasons. I like Hannah Fry's Radio 4 show Rutherford and Fry, it's not comedy but she's funny and intelligent. A panel show of female scientists and mathematicians like Rachel Riley would be way funnier than the male-run crap without them even being comedians.

NiceGerbil · 30/11/2020 02:00

I saw something recently some mainstream comedy.

Where the only female had to dress up somehow and then something gross/ humiliating was done.

Can't remember what it was now but I said to DH at the time (last week?). Men never grow tired of doing this to good looking women.

It's the basis of most mainstream porn isn't it?

youbetternotshout · 30/11/2020 08:25

If you read Alan Davies new biography he is very 'good' on misogyny. It's terribly sad what he went through and he does have a real insight into the way his mother was treated when she was dying due to being female.

Aesopfable · 30/11/2020 10:33

I remember Jo Brand giving the men on 'Have I got news for you' a dressing down one time. It sounds like they could do with having her as a panalist on some of these other shows.

AnyFucker · 30/11/2020 10:39

I hate that show.

Nikhedonia · 30/11/2020 10:54

@Aesopfable

I remember Jo Brand giving the men on 'Have I got news for you' a dressing down one time. It sounds like they could do with having her as a panalist on some of these other shows.
And I dont imagine that lot would take on board what she said..
AnyFucker · 30/11/2020 11:04

here is the marvellous Jo

Anordinarymum · 30/11/2020 11:07

I can't stand the lovely look at me boys Rachel Riley

StillDumDeDumming · 30/11/2020 11:15

Task master- where women are allowed to be funny. Did you see Lisa Tarbuck many times absolutely handing it t them about their shitty team task behaviour?

StillDumDeDumming · 30/11/2020 11:22

m.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOd6m1243c

I mean they’re laughing - but it’s a funny if it wasn’t true moment really. It’s the only panel show I can watch for all the reasons above.

NotBadConsidering · 30/11/2020 11:53

Hear me out on this, but I’m a bit wary of approaching these sorts of scenarios with condemnation these days and I am leaning more towards the side of comedians. Being in the medical profession, I see the (dark) humour in a lot of scenarios that are completely inappropriate. Whether that’s a result of years of training, exposure, becoming “numb” to sensitivities, or part of a personality flaw in me, I don’t know, but I’m sure it doesn’t make me a bad person because I know I don’t actually believe the joke that emerges from such scenarios. I’ve been at the funeral of a child in a professional capacity and something happened that could have easily been scripted by Ricky Gervais as an episode of The Office. I was caught between seeing whether anyone else was thinking the same but also not wanting to catch the eye of someone who might set me off laughing. The funniness was in the absurdity of the situation and when I told it to medical friends later, they were in stitches. It doesn’t mean any of us think it’s appropriate to laugh at a child’s funeral.

I haven’t seen the episode, but Sean Locke probably constructed the scenario in his head of the normally glamorous Riley being made unglamorous and came up with a joke that he knew would shock and get a laugh in the context of an adult rated show. I don’t think, by inference, you can draw any conclusions as to his personal views on women as a result. I personally accept that a comedian’s jokes are not necessarily a reflection of that person. Watch Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee on Netflix, Seinfeld discusses this a lot! It’s complex and to conflate the two risks sanitising comedy to the point where no one is offended. And it would be great if it wasn’t women on the receiving end, but then you have to agree that Ricky Gervais can’t joke about Caitlyn Jenner being terrible for women drivers, or John Cleese should be banned from Twitter for his recent jokes. All of Cleese’s tweets were constructed from the absurdity of what he was replying to.

You either ban all comedy or none of it. A comedian’s job is to get a laugh and it’s not always a reflection on the person. If Locke tells that joke somewhere else and it goes down like a lead balloon then he is likely to mentally note “jokes about wanking over women aren’t a go anymore”. A more useful analysis is not “Is Sean Locke a misogynist for making that joke?” but instead “Why do jokes like that still land well on late night adult rated tv shows?” I think eventually they won’t, in the same way Bernard Manning and Benny Hill wouldn’t be successful now.

I’m just very wary these days of telling comedians who make jokes I don’t like to shut up, because it's only a matter of time before someone else more woke tells a comedian who jokes about something I do agree with to shut up.

And then we’re all doomed to a life of sanitised misery.

carlaCox · 30/11/2020 12:09

@NotBadConsidering I completely agree with you about the dangers of censoring comedy. I guess one difference in this scenario is that Rachel Riley was the object of the joke (and a pretty easy target at that). It was a cheap shot at her expense. It's just a shame he didn't say it to a woman who could have given it back to him.

AnyFucker · 30/11/2020 12:16

Oh, I don't want these cheap shot users to shut up. I want them to carry on signposting themselves.

DeaconBoo · 30/11/2020 12:20

Op, was this an older episode or more recent do you know? I did really rate Sean Lock, he's done some great stand-up and series, but left a bad taste on this panel show for the reasons you point to so speed watching it. However, I may have imagined it, but when I've seen bits of more recent eps of this, they seem to have improved a bit?

I don't really agree with censorship in comedy but in this programme the repeated lazy joke of RR being wank fodder was done to death and became really unpleasant.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/11/2020 12:40

I don't believe in censorship, but the one requirement of comedy is that it's actually funny and I don't get how this instance works as a joke on any level. It's just nasty.

StillDumDeDumming · 30/11/2020 12:45

@NotBadConsidering but I’m not sure you can completely let them off the hook. There’s a difference between gallows humour particularly in certain professions where it’s a coping thing - and a professional comedian on tv, isn’t there? I mean they can say what they like really but should be held up in instances like these.

dottiedodah · 30/11/2020 13:30

I think this show always made me feel a little uncomfortable ,but could never seem to put my finger on why .Now I know! RR is an intelligent and beautiful girl ,and could outsmart pretty much all of them.They obviously have a problem with her threatening their masculinity or some such BS.She always seemed to be poured into a tight short frock, and would have to pull it down when seated. Poor old Suzy has looked embarrassed on more than one occasion as well .Probably cant wait to return to the original show with Nick Hewer( A proper grown up ,who is at least respectful to the ladies in his company)

BigFatLiar · 30/11/2020 14:26

Never liked 8 out of 10 cats, can't say I'm a great fan of RR either she used to be always saying how nice her boyfriend/husband was and then along came Strictly and he husband was dumped for Pasha. Both she and Susie D have been on the show for years and I'm sure if they weren't happy with their treatment could stop.

As it happens I must own up to finding few of the modern comedians funny. We went to see Jo Brand and DH spent most of his time asking if this was meant to be funny rather than embarrassing.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 30/11/2020 14:33

That Liza Tarbuck clip was perfect.

Liza:- solves it. They win.
Men:- what was that?
Liza:- the task.

nosswith · 30/11/2020 14:41

Dave and other shows which are built on repeats show how humour has changed in recent years, quite rightly too.

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